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US doesn’t forcibly annex foreign countries. Don’t sponsor terrorists since at least cold war. American government doesn’t kill political opponents or journalis

US doesn’t forcibly annex foreign countries. Don’t sponsor terrorists since at least cold war. American government doesn’t kill political opponents or journalists, neither abroad nor at home. Doesn’t use military chemical weapon against civilians. Russian government does all that and more. Buying natural resources from them is ethically questionable, and has consequences.

benj111 7y ago
Exceptions to your statements in 3... 2.... 1. Edit: Um ok, sort of statement I would have thought people would disagree with. Wasn't thinking of any examples in particular :)
- Const-me 7y ago
  I doubt it, if you had the exceptions you would write the exceptions, not the announcement. Also, even if you think US is equally evil, there’s still a difference. US is #1 economy in the world. If tomorrow everyone will stop buying American gas, this might help American economy: will obviously hurt oil mining sector, but help everything else due to falling energy prices. Hollywood, software and internet companies won’t even notice. Russian economy is very small, they’re smaller than Italy or Brazil, and they entirely depend on the export of their natural resources. If your goal is to minimize global evil, and you must select from these 2, the pick is kinda obvious, doesn’t it?
  - benj111 7y ago
    " if you had the exceptions you would write the exceptions, not the announcement" Why? All the obvious ones are well rehearsed, we all know the US isn't whiter than white. I don't think anyone's mind is going to be changed by the conversation, and haven't anything new or insightful to add so what's the point? And I don't think the US is "equally evil". This isn't a superhero film where everyone is either a goody or baddie. There are shades of grey, and I wouldn't use 'evil' to describe any country. So maybe we don't all know that the US isn't whiter than white, just like every other country.
    - Const-me 7y ago
      > All the obvious ones are well rehearsed Yet I see none in this thread. And I don’t know any recent cases either. Last time US forcibly annexed land was when, civil war? > the US isn't whiter than white, just like every other country. Just because no country is 100% evil doesn’t mean they are all equal. As a European consumer, I prefer renewables, but until the tech is here, I strongly prefer buying fossil fuel from US. Americans have not started a war in Europe ever, Russia is still fighting with Ukraine for 5 years now, 1000 miles from here. They also tried to kill our prime minister, couple years ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montenegrin_coup_plot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montenegrin_coup_plot
lotsofpulp 7y ago
What does any of that have to do with changing the label of fossil fuels?
- Const-me 7y ago
  Not just label, also supplier. When you purchase stuff, you pay the seller and therefore support that entity with your money.

benj111 7y ago

Exceptions to your statements in 3... 2.... 1. Edit: Um ok, sort of statement I would have thought people would disagree with. Wasn't thinking of any examples in particular :)

Const-me 7y ago
I doubt it, if you had the exceptions you would write the exceptions, not the announcement. Also, even if you think US is equally evil, there’s still a difference. US is #1 economy in the world. If tomorrow everyone will stop buying American gas, this might help American economy: will obviously hurt oil mining sector, but help everything else due to falling energy prices. Hollywood, software and internet companies won’t even notice. Russian economy is very small, they’re smaller than Italy or Brazil, and they entirely depend on the export of their natural resources. If your goal is to minimize global evil, and you must select from these 2, the pick is kinda obvious, doesn’t it?
- benj111 7y ago
  " if you had the exceptions you would write the exceptions, not the announcement" Why? All the obvious ones are well rehearsed, we all know the US isn't whiter than white. I don't think anyone's mind is going to be changed by the conversation, and haven't anything new or insightful to add so what's the point? And I don't think the US is "equally evil". This isn't a superhero film where everyone is either a goody or baddie. There are shades of grey, and I wouldn't use 'evil' to describe any country. So maybe we don't all know that the US isn't whiter than white, just like every other country.
  - Const-me 7y ago
    > All the obvious ones are well rehearsed Yet I see none in this thread. And I don’t know any recent cases either. Last time US forcibly annexed land was when, civil war? > the US isn't whiter than white, just like every other country. Just because no country is 100% evil doesn’t mean they are all equal. As a European consumer, I prefer renewables, but until the tech is here, I strongly prefer buying fossil fuel from US. Americans have not started a war in Europe ever, Russia is still fighting with Ukraine for 5 years now, 1000 miles from here. They also tried to kill our prime minister, couple years ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montenegrin_coup_plot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montenegrin_coup_plot

lotsofpulp 7y ago

What does any of that have to do with changing the label of fossil fuels?

Const-me 7y ago
Not just label, also supplier. When you purchase stuff, you pay the seller and therefore support that entity with your money.