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Good point. Let's take a relatively trivial example: TV "appropriateness." Mainland western Europe have different standards to the US. They are more tolerant

Good point. Let's take a relatively trivial example: TV "appropriateness." Mainland western Europe have different standards to the US. They are more tolerant of bad language and nudity in daytime programming, less tolerant of violence. Other places have different tolerances (political & religious taboos, often). YouTube's policies are clearly of the US flavour.

kristofferR 7y ago
Yeah. To watch a Norwegian educational series for kids to prepare them for puberty, you first have to confirm that you're above 18 on Youtube... They've outright removed episode 6, since it covers female puberty, while the episodes about males is allowed. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJX8EALqb4PzmhYdnK6AxcAhm45FyCCK- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJX8EALqb4PzmhYdnK6Ax... It's the same backwards situation on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/BhrSKOiFawg/ https://www.instagram.com/p/BhrSKOiFawg/
- treis 7y ago
  >They've outright removed episode 6, since it covers female puberty, while the episodes about males is allowed. I don't think that's the reason. Episode 1 has full female nudity and a scene with menstrual blood running down a leg. Episode 6 has a close up of a very cleanly waxed vagina from a skinny woman. That probably tripped child porn filters (automated or manual). Did not expect my day to include watching Norweigan puberty videos.
  - ksaj 7y ago
    The video in the link has a prepubescent and mid-pubescent penis that didn't trip any kiddy porn filter. So the question remains valid. It seems conspicuous and one-sided for a filter like that. I didn't see the bloody one. Just as well, because the last time I saw that was in a horror movie. PS: Your last sentence made me laugh.
    - treis 7y ago
      >The video in the link has a prepubescent and mid-pubescent penis that didn't trip any kiddy porn filter. So the question remains valid. It seems conspicuous and one-sided for a filter like that. Even if it is, an automated filter being more sensitive to detecting female child porn than male is a lot more innocuous then banning a video because it talks about female puberty.
- dalbasal 7y ago
  I just realized the Norwegian language (or accent) is made for kids TV. Norwegians explaining anything sound like they're presenting a kids show. They should dub that to English. If parents want that sort of "there's no shame here" approach.. there's probably no English equivalents.
disordinary 7y ago
Yep, and facebook too, yet it's very clearly within the ability of both companies to have their algorithms and people categorise non universally mainstream content and only censor what's appropriate to the society that's viewing it. It's not quite the same thing but a company like netflix offers different shows in different countries, spotify's the same for songs. This is more down to licensing than censorship and the scale is quite different from social media but it's a demonstration on how a company can provide different content per region. Of course, if you flip the argument on it's head, we're annoyed that a company like Google is censoring things which are allowed or common place in society outside of the US. we wouldn't want google censoring content that we consider "enlightened" into countries which we consider backwards (which they no doubt do) and that's always the hypocrisy of these positions.
apatters 7y ago
This is a good argument in favor of federation. Allow local nodes with local users to define their own content policies. Other nodes can choose to federate with them or not. Cultural distinctions are thus preserved.

kristofferR 7y ago

Yeah. To watch a Norwegian educational series for kids to prepare them for puberty, you first have to confirm that you're above 18 on Youtube... They've outright removed episode 6, since it covers female puberty, while the episodes about males is allowed. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJX8EALqb4PzmhYdnK6AxcAhm45FyCCK- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJX8EALqb4PzmhYdnK6Ax... It's the same backwards situation on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/BhrSKOiFawg/ https://www.instagram.com/p/BhrSKOiFawg/

treis 7y ago
>They've outright removed episode 6, since it covers female puberty, while the episodes about males is allowed. I don't think that's the reason. Episode 1 has full female nudity and a scene with menstrual blood running down a leg. Episode 6 has a close up of a very cleanly waxed vagina from a skinny woman. That probably tripped child porn filters (automated or manual). Did not expect my day to include watching Norweigan puberty videos.
- ksaj 7y ago
  The video in the link has a prepubescent and mid-pubescent penis that didn't trip any kiddy porn filter. So the question remains valid. It seems conspicuous and one-sided for a filter like that. I didn't see the bloody one. Just as well, because the last time I saw that was in a horror movie. PS: Your last sentence made me laugh.
  - treis 7y ago
    >The video in the link has a prepubescent and mid-pubescent penis that didn't trip any kiddy porn filter. So the question remains valid. It seems conspicuous and one-sided for a filter like that. Even if it is, an automated filter being more sensitive to detecting female child porn than male is a lot more innocuous then banning a video because it talks about female puberty.
dalbasal 7y ago
I just realized the Norwegian language (or accent) is made for kids TV. Norwegians explaining anything sound like they're presenting a kids show. They should dub that to English. If parents want that sort of "there's no shame here" approach.. there's probably no English equivalents.

disordinary 7y ago

Yep, and facebook too, yet it's very clearly within the ability of both companies to have their algorithms and people categorise non universally mainstream content and only censor what's appropriate to the society that's viewing it. It's not quite the same thing but a company like netflix offers different shows in different countries, spotify's the same for songs. This is more down to licensing than censorship and the scale is quite different from social media but it's a demonstration on how a company can provide different content per region. Of course, if you flip the argument on it's head, we're annoyed that a company like Google is censoring things which are allowed or common place in society outside of the US. we wouldn't want google censoring content that we consider "enlightened" into countries which we consider backwards (which they no doubt do) and that's always the hypocrisy of these positions.

apatters 7y ago

This is a good argument in favor of federation. Allow local nodes with local users to define their own content policies. Other nodes can choose to federate with them or not. Cultural distinctions are thus preserved.