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Some other leading indicators of "formal" recessions [%]: * as others mention, yield curve inversion. e.g: https://financial-charts.effingapp.com/yield-curve h
by shoo 7y ago
Some other leading indicators of "formal" recessions [%]:
* as others mention, yield curve inversion. e.g: https://financial-charts.effingapp.com/yield-curve https://financial-charts.effingapp.com/yield-curve
* unemployment rate climbing after hitting a local minima. e.g. https://financial-charts.effingapp.com/usa-unemployment https://financial-charts.effingapp.com/usa-unemployment
Some other indicators that expected long-term stock market returns may be low:
* valuation ratios -- in terms of P/B, P/E, CA(P/E), etc, are high [+], compared to historical norms. e.g. https://www.starcapital.de/en/research/stock-market-expectations/ https://www.starcapital.de/en/research/stock-market-expectat...
* supply & demand factors, in terms of how much the average investor has allocated to the stock market [@]. e.g. https://financial-charts.effingapp.com/ https://financial-charts.effingapp.com/
[%] periods when recessions occur tend to be formally defined after the fact, by economists looking backwards at historical data. this may not be particularly helpful for anyone trying to time the market before a crash. "Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future." -- Bohr.
[+] some people may push back on this, saying "stocks are priced high relative to what alternatives?" -- if all alternative asset classes are also "overpriced", then maybe that just means there's far too much cash floating about, and not many good investment opportunities remaining. but if all asset prices are "overpriced", then nothing is, cash is just devalued...
[@] n.b. the blog post that this indicator is based on is intended as somewhat of a joke, as an example of how it is possible to construct rather arbitrary and misleading indicators that look good --- but it's an interesting read: http://www.philosophicaleconomics.com/2013/12/the-single-greatest-predictor-of-future-stock-market-returns/ http://www.philosophicaleconomics.com/2013/12/the-single-gre...
- fuckyah 7y agoOverall it’s still looking pretty good: https://www.leggmason.com/en-us/advisor-resources/main/us-economy-anatomy-of-a-recession.html https://www.leggmason.com/en-us/advisor-resources/main/us-ec...
- topmonk 7y agoThe unemployment rate that everyone uses (U.3) actually only counts people who have looked for work in the last 4 weeks since the BLS survey is taken. After that, they fall into (U.6), which is for people who have looked for work in the past year, and after that, they disappear from the stats all together. Because of this, counterintuitively, the official (U.3) employment rate can go up during a prolonged recession. This happened in 2008 - 2009 when people stopped looking for work. An estimate of the actual employment rate, including long term discouraged workers, is here: http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-chart... If you don't trust that site, here is the Civilian labor force participation rate, which indicates the percentage of the working population is actually engaged in the labor force: https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-labor-force-participation-rate.htm https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-lab...
- fuckyah 7y agoLooking at the unemployment slope it does not seem to have stopped decreasing yet