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Every application has privacy implications, and it isn't difficult to manage this one. Having a giant warning around installing extensions with this level of ac

by tedivm 7y ago

Every application has privacy implications, and it isn't difficult to manage this one. Having a giant warning around installing extensions with this level of access would be a good way to protect people while also allowing them to make their own decisions.

scarface74 7y ago
Because warning people has historically worked well with PCs not to mention Android. See Also Vista UAC. It’s kind of amazing for people to say that they care about their privacy and then they install extensions that can record their entire browsing history and install VPN software on their phones that intercept all of their internet communications.
- userbinator 7y ago
  There's a mountain of difference between "can" and "will", and it's called "trust". For decades, people have been using software on their PCs which can essentially delete all their data or worse, yet what are the chances of that actually happening? Of course malware would exist, but at the same time, the unrestricted nature lead to a seamless exchange of data and creativity unhindered by any bureaucratic permission-maze. A world of "perfect" security in which malware and cybercrime cannot exist is basically a dystopian police state.
  - scarface74 7y ago
    And we have found better ways on a newer platforms not to implicitly trust apps with unfettered access to user data and surprisingly enough, no one has started rounding up people en masse for looking at cat videos....
- yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago
  ... That's how computers work, yes. If you have a way to make a VPN that doesn't see its own traffic, I'm all ears. In the meantime, I trust a VPN more than my ISP.
  - scarface74 7y ago
    What gives you more trust in your VPN provider than your ISP? Did you also trust Onavo’s VPN back in the day?
    - yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago
      My ISP has told people they're tracking users, and can get away with it because there's effectively no competition. The bar is low. I am, indeed, necessarily careful about VPN providers.
      - scarface74 7y ago
        Have you personally audited your VPN provider? Or did you go by a pinky promise that they would track you and sell your data? On a practical note, which VPN provider can reliably not reduce the speed of my gigabit up/down connection?
        yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago
        In my personal case, yes I have because I'm running it myself on a VPS. In general, though, the commercial providers that I would use have stood up to court orders / warrants, so I reckon they're fine. Unfortunately, I don't have a fast enough uplink to comment on speed concerns.
cortesoft 7y ago
You don't see any hazard to showing a giant warning to people when they install something that almost everyone should use? If people see a big warning when they install a legitimate ad blocker, people will start ignoring the warnings.

by tedivm 7y ago

scarface74 7y ago

Because warning people has historically worked well with PCs not to mention Android. See Also Vista UAC. It’s kind of amazing for people to say that they care about their privacy and then they install extensions that can record their entire browsing history and install VPN software on their phones that intercept all of their internet communications.

userbinator 7y ago
There's a mountain of difference between "can" and "will", and it's called "trust". For decades, people have been using software on their PCs which can essentially delete all their data or worse, yet what are the chances of that actually happening? Of course malware would exist, but at the same time, the unrestricted nature lead to a seamless exchange of data and creativity unhindered by any bureaucratic permission-maze. A world of "perfect" security in which malware and cybercrime cannot exist is basically a dystopian police state.
- scarface74 7y ago
  And we have found better ways on a newer platforms not to implicitly trust apps with unfettered access to user data and surprisingly enough, no one has started rounding up people en masse for looking at cat videos....
yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago
... That's how computers work, yes. If you have a way to make a VPN that doesn't see its own traffic, I'm all ears. In the meantime, I trust a VPN more than my ISP.
- scarface74 7y ago
  What gives you more trust in your VPN provider than your ISP? Did you also trust Onavo’s VPN back in the day?
  - yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago
    My ISP has told people they're tracking users, and can get away with it because there's effectively no competition. The bar is low. I am, indeed, necessarily careful about VPN providers.
    - scarface74 7y ago
      Have you personally audited your VPN provider? Or did you go by a pinky promise that they would track you and sell your data? On a practical note, which VPN provider can reliably not reduce the speed of my gigabit up/down connection?
      - yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago
        In my personal case, yes I have because I'm running it myself on a VPS. In general, though, the commercial providers that I would use have stood up to court orders / warrants, so I reckon they're fine. Unfortunately, I don't have a fast enough uplink to comment on speed concerns.

cortesoft 7y ago

You don't see any hazard to showing a giant warning to people when they install something that almost everyone should use? If people see a big warning when they install a legitimate ad blocker, people will start ignoring the warnings.