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Aiding and abetting criminals is a crime. Whodathunk?

by umeshunni 7y ago

hprotagonist 7y ago
Seeking asylum is not a criminal act, and is protected by federal and international law.
- lykr0n 7y ago
  Seeking asylum at a port of entry is not a criminal act. Running across a border is not seeking asylum.
  - hprotagonist 7y ago
    That is a lie. When this law was codified, the authors went well out of their way to make it explicitly clear that "ports of entry" have absolutely nothing to do with it. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1158 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1158 8 U.S. Code § 1158. Asylum Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.
- umeshunni 7y ago
  2 million people running across the border each year aren't 'asylum seekers' - it is mass illegal economic migration.
  - hprotagonist 7y ago
    Nope! The number of economic-driven migrants on the southern border of the united states has been falling for years, and is at a low point right now. I have neither reason, legal authority, nor moral authority to a priori doubt the legitimacy of asylum claims, and neither do you. https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2019/01/17/falling-illegal-immigration-numbers-confirm-no-border-crisis/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2019/01/17/falli... http://www.scielo.org.mx/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S1870-75992016000200065 http://www.scielo.org.mx/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S... http://theconversation.com/todays-us-mexico-border-crisis-in-6-charts-98922 http://theconversation.com/todays-us-mexico-border-crisis-in...
    - umeshunni 7y ago
      Legitimate asylum seekers can seek asylum at the border. They do not need to run across the border, unless they actually have no valid claim for asylum and are simply jumping the border. You see, as a legal immigrant who was stuck in the dreaded green card queue for years and many of whose family are still stuck in that queue because (a) the immigration system is overwhelmed by illegals and (b) because there is political lack of will to fix legal immigration I do have a vested interest and authority to complain about illegals.
      - dragonwriter 7y ago
        > Legitimate asylum seekers can seek asylum at the border. Not when the executive directs that they be prevented from doing so, even to the extent of closing border crossings and launching cross border armed attacks to prevent it. The “crisis at the border” is deliberately and unsubtly manufactured to sell the response. > the immigration system is overwhelmed by illegals No, it's not. Both because the systems legal immigrants use don't deal with illegals and vice versa, so that simply doesn't happen in any cased because illegal immigration has been dropping for a long time to the point where there is no longer even a net inflow. > because there is political lack of will to fix legal immigration That's not really an accurate statement. Portraying the problem as lack of will suggests that there is a broad consensus on what it means to “fix legal immigration” but people are just afraid to stand up and vote for it, while the truth is pretty much the opposite: plenty of people are willing to stand up and vote for things that are (in the view of particular factions) “fixig legal immigration”, but there is no consensus on which of the mutually incompatible fixes to adopt, because people have diametrically opposed view of what the problem with legal immigration is and what the goals are any fix should address (and that's even before disagreements on approaches between people sharing the same view of the problem/goals.) > I do have a vested interest Perhaps, but clearly not much understanding, and > and authority Beyond the universal “authority” inherent in free speech, no.
mcphage 7y ago
What a world you live in: human compassion is a labeled a crime, and your response is "that's fine".
RegBarclay 7y ago
If I see someone in distress, am I supposed to interrogate them before rendering aid?

Aiding and abetting criminals is a crime. Whodathunk?

hprotagonist 7y ago

Seeking asylum is not a criminal act, and is protected by federal and international law.

lykr0n 7y ago
Seeking asylum at a port of entry is not a criminal act. Running across a border is not seeking asylum.
- hprotagonist 7y ago
  That is a lie. When this law was codified, the authors went well out of their way to make it explicitly clear that "ports of entry" have absolutely nothing to do with it. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1158 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1158 8 U.S. Code § 1158. Asylum Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.
umeshunni 7y ago
2 million people running across the border each year aren't 'asylum seekers' - it is mass illegal economic migration.
- hprotagonist 7y ago
  Nope! The number of economic-driven migrants on the southern border of the united states has been falling for years, and is at a low point right now. I have neither reason, legal authority, nor moral authority to a priori doubt the legitimacy of asylum claims, and neither do you. https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2019/01/17/falling-illegal-immigration-numbers-confirm-no-border-crisis/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2019/01/17/falli... http://www.scielo.org.mx/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S1870-75992016000200065 http://www.scielo.org.mx/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S... http://theconversation.com/todays-us-mexico-border-crisis-in-6-charts-98922 http://theconversation.com/todays-us-mexico-border-crisis-in...
  - umeshunni 7y ago
    Legitimate asylum seekers can seek asylum at the border. They do not need to run across the border, unless they actually have no valid claim for asylum and are simply jumping the border. You see, as a legal immigrant who was stuck in the dreaded green card queue for years and many of whose family are still stuck in that queue because (a) the immigration system is overwhelmed by illegals and (b) because there is political lack of will to fix legal immigration I do have a vested interest and authority to complain about illegals.
    - dragonwriter 7y ago
      > Legitimate asylum seekers can seek asylum at the border. Not when the executive directs that they be prevented from doing so, even to the extent of closing border crossings and launching cross border armed attacks to prevent it. The “crisis at the border” is deliberately and unsubtly manufactured to sell the response. > the immigration system is overwhelmed by illegals No, it's not. Both because the systems legal immigrants use don't deal with illegals and vice versa, so that simply doesn't happen in any cased because illegal immigration has been dropping for a long time to the point where there is no longer even a net inflow. > because there is political lack of will to fix legal immigration That's not really an accurate statement. Portraying the problem as lack of will suggests that there is a broad consensus on what it means to “fix legal immigration” but people are just afraid to stand up and vote for it, while the truth is pretty much the opposite: plenty of people are willing to stand up and vote for things that are (in the view of particular factions) “fixig legal immigration”, but there is no consensus on which of the mutually incompatible fixes to adopt, because people have diametrically opposed view of what the problem with legal immigration is and what the goals are any fix should address (and that's even before disagreements on approaches between people sharing the same view of the problem/goals.) > I do have a vested interest Perhaps, but clearly not much understanding, and > and authority Beyond the universal “authority” inherent in free speech, no.

mcphage 7y ago

What a world you live in: human compassion is a labeled a crime, and your response is "that's fine".

RegBarclay 7y ago

If I see someone in distress, am I supposed to interrogate them before rendering aid?