4 ms·

This is why I think every app should be sold in a subscription model. The current users of this app are very happy with it, and yet they will suffer when the de

by jwr 7y ago

This is why I think every app should be sold in a subscription model. The current users of this app are very happy with it, and yet they will suffer when the developer can't make enough new sales. It's like a Ponzi scheme: everything falls down if you can't enroll enough new users. That's not sustainable.

jtbayly 7y ago
No no no. Nothing about the subscription business model guarantees that an app will be or become sustainable. If I buy an app like this and it works. I can use it until something breaks it. That is true even if I'm the very first and only person who ever purchases it. If I'm the first and only subscriber the app will suddenly stop working a few weeks later when the dev realizes he can't make a living on it. That stinks for the dev, but it's not my fault, and I shouldn't be punished by revoking my ability to use the app.
benmdi 7y ago
Generally I agree, though this App does have a broad enough market that it could probably be sold as sustainably as a one-time upgrade for years without exhausting the potential, especially if it's a one man project.
jsty 7y ago
For apps you install on your own machine, I think the JetBrains perpetual license model is probably my favourite so far. After a certain period you can stop paying the subscription and keep using the old version. But if you want to keep up to date with features and bug fixes, you keep paying the subscription. It just seems to align incentives on both sides quite well.
- rbritton 7y ago
  I agree. I completely avoid any locally installed software that's subscription only (e.g., Adobe Photoshop CC) because in most cases, I don't need the continual updates. I'm perfectly fine using a single purchase for years and just buying the update when the OS upgrade triggers it.
- function_seven 7y ago
  I really like their model as well. I think the really novel part of it is that, when you decide to stop paying the subscription, you keep the perpetual license for whatever was current a year ago. So if you just updated to the latest and greatest, and you love it, then you need to pay one more year subscription in order to "buy" it out right. I think that's clever
  - bitL 7y ago
    It used to be more friendly - you could have kept the last update before your time was up, not to roll back 1 year.
  - Wowfunhappy 7y ago
    Personally, if I thought I might have to downgrade a piece of software a year from now, I just wouldn't update in the first place, to avoid the pain of downgrading. Even understanding that the goal is to incentivize continued payment, making users downgrade at the end feels excessively punitive IMO. Just let them keep the last version.
- _bxg1 7y ago
  I wonder if the App Store supports (or could support) this kind of model.
  - rbritton 7y ago
    It does not support it on its own. You could build that functionality into an app as far as features go, but how easy they are to isolate will probably vary wildly, and it may be more work than it's worth.
    - _bxg1 7y ago
      It would mean only pushing updates to some users and not others, which would have to be supported by the App Store. Unless you jerry-rigged some way of separating your "updates" from the actual binary updates distributed by the app store, which, yes, would probably be more work than it's worth.
- jwr 7y ago
  I don't think "keep using the old version" is a solution. We should accept the truth, which is that in today's computing world you can't "keep using the old version", because you will want the bug fixes, the security fixes, and you will need the software to be updated to newer OS versions.
  - jsty 7y ago
    Oh I agree that most users will want / should have the updates, but having the ability to still access an older version: (1) means the lapsed subscriber can still access their data / functionality (at least for a while until OS compatibility issues kick in), and (2) makes sure the developer is still actually 'earning' the subscription through updates, not just counting on data lock-in.
  - deleted 7y ago
    [deleted]
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]
- matt2000 7y ago
  The price goes down over the first 3 years as well. Not sure why they do that exactly, but for a long time user like myself I'm happy they do!

by jwr 7y ago

jtbayly 7y ago

No no no. Nothing about the subscription business model guarantees that an app will be or become sustainable. If I buy an app like this and it works. I can use it until something breaks it. That is true even if I'm the very first and only person who ever purchases it. If I'm the first and only subscriber the app will suddenly stop working a few weeks later when the dev realizes he can't make a living on it. That stinks for the dev, but it's not my fault, and I shouldn't be punished by revoking my ability to use the app.

benmdi 7y ago

Generally I agree, though this App does have a broad enough market that it could probably be sold as sustainably as a one-time upgrade for years without exhausting the potential, especially if it's a one man project.

jsty 7y ago

For apps you install on your own machine, I think the JetBrains perpetual license model is probably my favourite so far. After a certain period you can stop paying the subscription and keep using the old version. But if you want to keep up to date with features and bug fixes, you keep paying the subscription. It just seems to align incentives on both sides quite well.

rbritton 7y ago
I agree. I completely avoid any locally installed software that's subscription only (e.g., Adobe Photoshop CC) because in most cases, I don't need the continual updates. I'm perfectly fine using a single purchase for years and just buying the update when the OS upgrade triggers it.
function_seven 7y ago
I really like their model as well. I think the really novel part of it is that, when you decide to stop paying the subscription, you keep the perpetual license for whatever was current a year ago. So if you just updated to the latest and greatest, and you love it, then you need to pay one more year subscription in order to "buy" it out right. I think that's clever
- bitL 7y ago
  It used to be more friendly - you could have kept the last update before your time was up, not to roll back 1 year.
- Wowfunhappy 7y ago
  Personally, if I thought I might have to downgrade a piece of software a year from now, I just wouldn't update in the first place, to avoid the pain of downgrading. Even understanding that the goal is to incentivize continued payment, making users downgrade at the end feels excessively punitive IMO. Just let them keep the last version.
_bxg1 7y ago
I wonder if the App Store supports (or could support) this kind of model.
- rbritton 7y ago
  It does not support it on its own. You could build that functionality into an app as far as features go, but how easy they are to isolate will probably vary wildly, and it may be more work than it's worth.
  - _bxg1 7y ago
    It would mean only pushing updates to some users and not others, which would have to be supported by the App Store. Unless you jerry-rigged some way of separating your "updates" from the actual binary updates distributed by the app store, which, yes, would probably be more work than it's worth.
jwr 7y ago
I don't think "keep using the old version" is a solution. We should accept the truth, which is that in today's computing world you can't "keep using the old version", because you will want the bug fixes, the security fixes, and you will need the software to be updated to newer OS versions.
- jsty 7y ago
  Oh I agree that most users will want / should have the updates, but having the ability to still access an older version: (1) means the lapsed subscriber can still access their data / functionality (at least for a while until OS compatibility issues kick in), and (2) makes sure the developer is still actually 'earning' the subscription through updates, not just counting on data lock-in.
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]
deleted 7y ago
[deleted]
matt2000 7y ago
The price goes down over the first 3 years as well. Not sure why they do that exactly, but for a long time user like myself I'm happy they do!