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That's fine for you, but not for everyone. Would you really feel comfortable if this database leaked, a la Ashley Madison, and you knew people could search your

That's fine for you, but not for everyone. Would you really feel comfortable if this database leaked, a la Ashley Madison, and you knew people could search your name on some PasteBin and see all the bars you've been to? Gay bars, biker bars, strip clubs, bars hosting political rallies, bars hosting events mocking religion. Bars where convicted felons are present, bars where alleged gang members are present, bars where prostitutes are present, bars known for drug use, bars known for cheap liquor and heavy drinking. Going to see a concert you're not that familiar with and it turns out to be racist/sexist/atheist/pro-abortion/anti-abortion... Accidentally ending up in the same bar as your coworkers during a union organizing drive, intentionally going to the bar with your coworkers during a union drive... Five bars in one night, one bar after 3am...

imgabe 7y ago
I can honestly say that I would not want anything to do with anybody who would search my name on pastebin to find out if I was at a bar that did something that offended them so they can hold that against me. That person sounds absolutely insufferable. If they are going to go to that much trouble to find something to dislike about me, we were never going to get along in the first place.
- CPLX 7y ago
  Are you at least vaguely aware that people get assaulted or killed or blackmailed or discriminated against because of who they are and who they associate with? It's not much consolation that you "find them insufferable" when they tie you to a fence or drag you behind a truck because of who you are. This isn't that complicated. Many of us consider it a right to keep parts our our life private including who we choose to socialize with. You have every right to not agree with that point of view, but you should quit the charade of pretending not to understand it.
  - imgabe 7y ago
    Do you honestly believe that the people tying people to fence posts or dragging people behind a truck are going to go search for names on pastebin to find their victims? That doesn't make a lot of sense. If that's really what they want to do, they'll just wait outside the bar and grab whoever comes out. I agree it's a problem that people do things like that. I don't think that worrying about a name in a database has anything to do with preventing it. I'm really struggling to find any credibility in this scenario: Mr. Bigot thinks Jeff is gay. Mr. Bigot then goes to search on pastebin to see if there's any evidence of Jeff going to gay bars before beating him up. In my experience people like Mr. Bigot are not real big on fact checking.
    - smelendez 7y ago
      Mr. Jones gets in a dispute with Mr. Smith. Mr. Jones, in a huff, searches the leaked bar database to see what he finds. He goes around the neighborhood telling everyone Mr. Smith used to hang out at gay bars, or that Mr. Smith habitually bar hops on weekends, or that Mrs. Smith emasculates her husband by going to the bar with her friends while he stays home with Smith Jr. Mr. Smith loses some business opportunities, or gets in hot water with his religious relatives, or just notices people laughing at him behind his back at the block party. If Mr. Violent Bigot is his next door neighbor, maybe this is how he learns Mr. Smith is gay, or hangs out at bars frequented by other races, or whatever. Also, stalkers could easily use this to track their victims and people who they associate with.
    - CPLX 7y ago
      Of course this could happen. How about this. Mr. Bigot employs Jeff, or is his client. Ukrainian Bob hacks a database and finds out Jeff goes to gay bars. Bob contacts Jeff and says pay me or I tell Mr. Bigot. Or maybe Jeff is a schoolteacher, and the bar is a BDSM themed bar. And Bob the hacker is a student. Or maybe Jeff still goes to a bar in his old neighborhood, which is an ethic neighborhood. And maybe a black box unaccountable AI algorithm used by an insurance company flags him as higher risk because of that data point in his larger profile they've queried from a data broker. Or whatever scenario you can think of. As long as certain things in society are legal and OK but taboo in some contexts, people are going to want privacy around them. Once you keep records like this that privacy is threatened, given that the probability of lists such as this leaking is basically 100% in the current environment. Many of us want that privacy safeguarded. You are clearly not arguing in good faith by pretending not to understand why someone might have this opinion.

imgabe 7y ago

I can honestly say that I would not want anything to do with anybody who would search my name on pastebin to find out if I was at a bar that did something that offended them so they can hold that against me. That person sounds absolutely insufferable. If they are going to go to that much trouble to find something to dislike about me, we were never going to get along in the first place.

CPLX 7y ago
Are you at least vaguely aware that people get assaulted or killed or blackmailed or discriminated against because of who they are and who they associate with? It's not much consolation that you "find them insufferable" when they tie you to a fence or drag you behind a truck because of who you are. This isn't that complicated. Many of us consider it a right to keep parts our our life private including who we choose to socialize with. You have every right to not agree with that point of view, but you should quit the charade of pretending not to understand it.
- imgabe 7y ago
  Do you honestly believe that the people tying people to fence posts or dragging people behind a truck are going to go search for names on pastebin to find their victims? That doesn't make a lot of sense. If that's really what they want to do, they'll just wait outside the bar and grab whoever comes out. I agree it's a problem that people do things like that. I don't think that worrying about a name in a database has anything to do with preventing it. I'm really struggling to find any credibility in this scenario: Mr. Bigot thinks Jeff is gay. Mr. Bigot then goes to search on pastebin to see if there's any evidence of Jeff going to gay bars before beating him up. In my experience people like Mr. Bigot are not real big on fact checking.
  - smelendez 7y ago
    Mr. Jones gets in a dispute with Mr. Smith. Mr. Jones, in a huff, searches the leaked bar database to see what he finds. He goes around the neighborhood telling everyone Mr. Smith used to hang out at gay bars, or that Mr. Smith habitually bar hops on weekends, or that Mrs. Smith emasculates her husband by going to the bar with her friends while he stays home with Smith Jr. Mr. Smith loses some business opportunities, or gets in hot water with his religious relatives, or just notices people laughing at him behind his back at the block party. If Mr. Violent Bigot is his next door neighbor, maybe this is how he learns Mr. Smith is gay, or hangs out at bars frequented by other races, or whatever. Also, stalkers could easily use this to track their victims and people who they associate with.
  - CPLX 7y ago
    Of course this could happen. How about this. Mr. Bigot employs Jeff, or is his client. Ukrainian Bob hacks a database and finds out Jeff goes to gay bars. Bob contacts Jeff and says pay me or I tell Mr. Bigot. Or maybe Jeff is a schoolteacher, and the bar is a BDSM themed bar. And Bob the hacker is a student. Or maybe Jeff still goes to a bar in his old neighborhood, which is an ethic neighborhood. And maybe a black box unaccountable AI algorithm used by an insurance company flags him as higher risk because of that data point in his larger profile they've queried from a data broker. Or whatever scenario you can think of. As long as certain things in society are legal and OK but taboo in some contexts, people are going to want privacy around them. Once you keep records like this that privacy is threatened, given that the probability of lists such as this leaking is basically 100% in the current environment. Many of us want that privacy safeguarded. You are clearly not arguing in good faith by pretending not to understand why someone might have this opinion.