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There is much more here than a mapping of name-to-address, and you know that.

imgabe 7y ago
Yes, there are also bar owners reporting incidents that happened in their bar. Are you going to propose that bar owners are not allowed to write down things that happened to them? Are you going to propose that they are not allowed to tell other people about things they witnessed? How do you reconcile that with free speech? For me the point at which this becomes a problem is where other bars that were not a party to the incident ban people based on unverified information. That is the actual problem and what I would propose restricting
- liability 7y ago
  The company will be logging every single card that gets scanned. You will be in their database even if you are never written up for any infraction, and that running history of every bar you ever scanned in at will be information that could become public through incompetence or greed. You know this. I know that you know what data brokers are, that companies obsessively log everything by default, and that cyber-security is frequently abysmal. You're not dumb, you're just pretending to be. That's a nasty habit.
  - imgabe 7y ago
    Ok, they will have a partial [1] list of bars I visited. This will allow them to do what specific nefarious acts, exactly? I'm not pretending anything. Maybe I really am dumb or just unimaginative. I don't see what harm is going to come to me from someone having this information or even why anyone would care to look at it. [1] partial because not every bar is going to implement this
    - liability 7y ago
      Pretending to lack an imagination isn't really a good use of your time, nor is this conversation a good use of mine. Have a nice day.
- CPLX 7y ago
  > How do you reconcile that with free speech? I don't have to. Commercial speech isn't by definition free. The bar owner is certainly permitted to tell their friends about something that happened, or write a book about what an asshole customer you are. That doesn't mean every for-profit database of information, no matter how personal or how obtained, is legal. As, of course, you most certainly already know. There aren't any consumer credit reporting agencies, for example, making legal claims that the FCRA is a first amendment violation.

Yes, there are also bar owners reporting incidents that happened in their bar. Are you going to propose that bar owners are not allowed to write down things that happened to them? Are you going to propose that they are not allowed to tell other people about things they witnessed? How do you reconcile that with free speech? For me the point at which this becomes a problem is where other bars that were not a party to the incident ban people based on unverified information. That is the actual problem and what I would propose restricting

liability 7y ago
The company will be logging every single card that gets scanned. You will be in their database even if you are never written up for any infraction, and that running history of every bar you ever scanned in at will be information that could become public through incompetence or greed. You know this. I know that you know what data brokers are, that companies obsessively log everything by default, and that cyber-security is frequently abysmal. You're not dumb, you're just pretending to be. That's a nasty habit.
- imgabe 7y ago
  Ok, they will have a partial [1] list of bars I visited. This will allow them to do what specific nefarious acts, exactly? I'm not pretending anything. Maybe I really am dumb or just unimaginative. I don't see what harm is going to come to me from someone having this information or even why anyone would care to look at it. [1] partial because not every bar is going to implement this
  - liability 7y ago
    Pretending to lack an imagination isn't really a good use of your time, nor is this conversation a good use of mine. Have a nice day.
CPLX 7y ago
> How do you reconcile that with free speech? I don't have to. Commercial speech isn't by definition free. The bar owner is certainly permitted to tell their friends about something that happened, or write a book about what an asshole customer you are. That doesn't mean every for-profit database of information, no matter how personal or how obtained, is legal. As, of course, you most certainly already know. There aren't any consumer credit reporting agencies, for example, making legal claims that the FCRA is a first amendment violation.