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For me the bigger issue here is how one night at a bar might follow me around for the rest of my life. I get into an altercation at a bar and kicked out.. now I
by enjo 7y ago
For me the bigger issue here is how one night at a bar might follow me around for the rest of my life. I get into an altercation at a bar and kicked out.. now I have a "record" that everyone can see? There is no due process here. No investigation. Nothing.. just a record that a future employer might be interested in taking a look at.
It's the Chinese social credit system but worse because it's privatized.
- imgabe 7y agoI agree, I just think that trying to prevent people from collecting publicly available information is the wrong way to stop it. The bar has a legitimate reason to look at your ID. Instead how about we just make a law that bars can only ban people for incidents that occurred in that bar. That seems reasonable to me and would hold them to a similar standard as the justice system (no hearsay).
- vajrabum 7y agoLooking at your id is not the same thing as scanning and storing it. They clearly don't have a legitimate use for that data just a pretext. Having spent time in bars I definitely don't want bartenders and bar owners to know where I live.
- C1sc0cat 7y agoAnd I got asked to leave one pub because another family member had complained about the noise from the establishment.
- magduf 7y agoIf you don't like lots and lots of noise, then you have no business patronizing a bar or restaurant in America. The same is becoming more and more true of workplaces too. Americans love noisy places, and they love to talk really, really loudly. Here's a great article in The Atlantic about how American restaurants got so noisy: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/11/how-restaurants-got-so-loud/576715/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/11/how-r...
- C1sc0cat 7y agoThe house was next door to the Pub - it wasn't about noise inside the pub.
- magduf 7y agoNo, it's really not any worse. Under both systems, the social credit system is run by some organization that has no real accountability to the people it's keeping track of. China's government is, in a way, "privatized", since it only works for an elite group of people who control it, which if you think about it sounds very much like a corporation.