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so is boeing being held liable for the deaths? corporations are people right? a human person would probably go to jail if they did the same

• erikpukinskis 7y ago
  Seems like a clear case of negligence, so yes, they will pay for the deaths. A high level program manager may go to jail if there is a paper trail, but we don’t jail people at the CEO level in the U.S. for negligence or fraud usually. There’s a separate system of punishment for them involving their children hating them and acquired learning disabilities from cognitive dissonance. (Not a joke these are actually the primary mechanism by which America holds that class in check).
  • village-idiot 7y ago
    Can you provide more on the last paragraph? That sounds fascinating.
    • erikpukinskis 7y ago
      You can allow yourself to become corrupt in order to succeed financially, and try to hide that corruption from your family... but A) children, with a decade to study you, are lie detection beasts and they will see your true self, and B) the cognitive dissonance you need to frame your abusive behavior as “normal business” will interfere with your ability to learn new things that conflict with your internal narrative. Those blind spots make adjacent things harder to learn, leading to spreading blind spots, which eventually become a generalized learning disability. See for example the Theranos board. Living as a CEO/power broker type can lead to debilitating dementia in middle age. This is one of the reasons we so rarely see middle managers drop back down into individual contributor roles. Early dementia literally inhibits the clear thinking required for production work. In a leadership role they can rely on the management hierarchy for executive function, but lose the ability to do it alone.
      • dsfyu404ed 7y ago
        Those are some pretty bold claims. Care to cite your sources?
        • erikpukinskis 7y ago
          No sources, observation from life.
      • crispyambulance 7y ago
        Dementia in middle management would explain a lot, but seriously dude, citation required !
      • salawat 7y ago
        Fantastic! Congratulations! You just found a way to articulate the underlying concept of Perception Management and Reality Distortion Fields. Bravo! Even if you don't have academic sources, that greatly crystallized many anecdotal observations I've collected! EDIT: What? I'm not even being sarcastic or tongue in cheek. I've seen the aftermath of what the poster has described many times in my career in terms of cognitive shift occurring in certain roles. I'm not being judgemental even, one way or another, but I've run into a phenomena similar when trying to get something across to organizational leaders, to the point of having to conduct meetings behind closed doors and refusing to end the meeting until the point can be successfully communicated from all involved. As to whether it is a learning disability or not, no comment, but there is definitely an effect on capability to reconcile organizational reality with physical reality. If you haven't run into it, I suppose I must just be either the luckiest or unluckiest fellow on the planet. I'm still not sure whether or not there is an unwritten acknowledgement or tacit agreement to not call out or discuss the phenomena, because it never seems to make anyone comfortable. Whereas I find the idea liberating, because it means there is at least a reason for communication difficulties that is possible to overcome, even if it isn't terribly fun for everyone involved. It's one thing to disagree, or to not have access to certain information to reason on. It's another completely to know, and knowingly deceive, feign ignorance, or go out of your way to avoid having to come to terms with something. And yes, I understand my view does not make me super popular in some circles, where fast and loose with the truth is more the norm.
  • pseingatl 7y ago
    Indictments are issued all the time. Enron, Michael Milken, the Savings & Loan crisis; Pharma Bro Shkreli, Sri Lankan "Whale" trader, upcoming: Theranos.
    • ptah 7y ago
      Did those companies have to suspend trading for a number of years or just a fine? a fine basically just means its legal for rich people
  • ptah 7y ago
    It would be more just to incarcerate the company by making it suspend trading for its entire sentence. then when it makes any kind of pitch or advertisement, it has to disclose that it is a convicted felon
• liability 7y ago
  Boeing is an American company and a major military supplier, so don't hold your breath...