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The trade war -- if done right -- would supposedly force China to make some real concessions if they want the trade war to end. For instance, they almost agreed
by mtgx 7y ago
The trade war -- if done right -- would supposedly force China to make some real concessions if they want the trade war to end. For instance, they almost agreed to end the forced tech transfers from US to Chinese companies, but then they changed their minds, which seems to be what actually prompted the recent tariff raise to 25%.
I understand not "making the economic situation worse", but sometimes things have to get worse before they get better. Obama had "good relationship with China" and China trampled all over American companies because of it, pretty much making up whatever demands they wanted if those companies wanted to do business there. Plus, even before the trade war, car imports had 25% tariffs in China, and I think 0-5% in the U.S. for the reverse.
It reminds me of when Google was "open" with the Gmail and GChat APIs, and then Facebook abused it to get all of Gmail's contacts through the mass-invite feature, while Google couldn't do the same with Facebook contacts.
Similarly, Microsoft was working on adding GChat support to Skype - but the reverse (Skype in GChat) wasn't possible. This example illustrates pretty well why you can't always be "open to everyone, no matter what", when some can become hyper-aggressive in exploiting what you have to offer when being so open, but not paying it back in any form.
I believe I also read a recent comment about RISC-V developers giving the Chinese the could shoulder in collaborations, because Chinese developers tend to "take take take" and not contribute anything back, ever.
I even see it all the time with people praising Samsung, etc for "innovating more than Google", forgetting the fact that 95% of the OS is Google's work.
- simion314 7y agoYour economic facts(though some of them don't sound real) are of topic in the security discussion. If a real war starts between A and B the fact that A and B respected all the trade agreements is irrelevant. Ex: US spies on their allies, so you can respect all trades, be allies and still have espionage. The solution would be to have security features, like open source the code, firewall critical components etc.
- vectorrain 7y agoNonsense! If a deal hasn't been made, each side could change their mind, right? If we want to make a deal and I take great advantages on you, is it right for me to accuse you if you regrete before the deal is made? "because Chinese developers tend to "take take take" and not contribute anything back, ever." It's not ture. For example, Siggraph is the best conference in the computer graphics field. In 2018, the number of papers that contain Chinese or ethnic Chinese is 45%. Besides, many Chines and ethnic Chinese reasearchers are active in many frontier technology filed such as AI and Computer Vision field. The acadimic and industry status and constribution of Chines reashers/company are increasing rapidlly.
- MockObject 7y ago> the number of papers that contain Chinese or ethnic Chinese is Nobody cares about any "ethnic Chinese" fraction. We're discussing a trade war between US and PRC, not some racial struggle between Chinese and Caucasians or whatever.
- luckydata 7y agomy Chinese friends feel all very similarly. While I don't agree with them, it's not productive to be insensitive to their concerns. That's not how you solve conflict.
- MockObject 7y agoIt doesn't even make any sense. Do they think America is similarly engaged in a trade war with our own ethnic Chinese citizens? One of our most strident anti-China hawks is named Gordon Chang. And we aren't in any struggle against Taiwan. No, I don't have to be sensitive to such delusions.
- luckydata 7y agoYes, they are Chinese Americans and they feel this country discriminates heavily against them (for example in college admissions).