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> to make the choice not to get an education puts you at a disadvantage and lowers your odds of being successful in the workplace. That's simply not true. Desp

> to make the choice not to get an education puts you at a disadvantage and lowers your odds of being successful in the workplace. That's simply not true. Despite a sharp rise in post secondary attainment, workplace success has not meaningfully changed in many decades. Incomes are stagnant. Job quality is reportedly in decline. Where are you seeing the gain in workplace success with the rise of post secondary attainment? I expect what you are really referring to is that those with higher levels of scholastic attainment are statistically more likely to have a higher income than those with lesser levels, but like I said before, that is because people with down syndrome (to stick with the example), who will statistically struggle in the workplace, never had a chance to go to college in the first place. Not all people are equal. A lot of people simply do not have what it takes to be accepted into college, and if they manage to be accepted, they fail under the academic rigour. The same qualities that see them struggle in school are what also result in struggles in the workplace. If you could theoretically graduate from college with flying colours, you're already destined to be successful in the workplace, even if you never go to college.

SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
Only 27% of people in the US have a bachelor's degree[1]. Are you implying that the other 73% would be simply unable to attain the degree? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Educational_attainment_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Educational_attainment_in_the_...
- randomdata 7y ago
  > Only 27% of people in the US have a bachelor's degree However, the post secondary attainment rate is quite a bit higher. Bachelor degrees are not the only type of post secondary attainment. I will add that, statistically, even those with high school attainment will do better in the workplace than high school dropouts, but that is for the same reason: Those who drop out of high school have deeper issues that limit their success in the workplace. It is not because of the lack of a diploma. Each successive level of schooling filters out more and more people who are not born successful, which is why the more successful people, statistically, have higher levels of schooling. What is not changing over time, as more and more people attain a post secondary education, is workplace success. Incomes are stagnant. Job quality is reportedly in decline. This invalidates the idea that post secondary schooling increases workplace success. > Are you implying that the other 73% would be simply unable to attain the degree? Bachelor's degree? Quite possibly. ~30% bachelor attainment seems to be a fairly consistent limit across the world, even where general post secondary attainment is much higher. In Canada, over 60% of the population have a post secondary education, but university attainment also tops out at approximately 25%. Which should be surprising given that Canada more than anywhere else has an extreme culture of "If you don't go to university, you will be forever stuck working at McDonalds".

SketchySeaBeast 7y ago

Only 27% of people in the US have a bachelor's degree[1]. Are you implying that the other 73% would be simply unable to attain the degree? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Educational_attainment_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Educational_attainment_in_the_...

randomdata 7y ago
> Only 27% of people in the US have a bachelor's degree However, the post secondary attainment rate is quite a bit higher. Bachelor degrees are not the only type of post secondary attainment. I will add that, statistically, even those with high school attainment will do better in the workplace than high school dropouts, but that is for the same reason: Those who drop out of high school have deeper issues that limit their success in the workplace. It is not because of the lack of a diploma. Each successive level of schooling filters out more and more people who are not born successful, which is why the more successful people, statistically, have higher levels of schooling. What is not changing over time, as more and more people attain a post secondary education, is workplace success. Incomes are stagnant. Job quality is reportedly in decline. This invalidates the idea that post secondary schooling increases workplace success. > Are you implying that the other 73% would be simply unable to attain the degree? Bachelor's degree? Quite possibly. ~30% bachelor attainment seems to be a fairly consistent limit across the world, even where general post secondary attainment is much higher. In Canada, over 60% of the population have a post secondary education, but university attainment also tops out at approximately 25%. Which should be surprising given that Canada more than anywhere else has an extreme culture of "If you don't go to university, you will be forever stuck working at McDonalds".