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Perhaps we should stop pedaling fake dream to gullible teens that education = well paid job, free of stress. This system produces few winners like salmons swim

Perhaps we should stop pedaling fake dream to gullible teens that education = well paid job, free of stress. This system produces few winners like salmons swimming upstream and only few get to reproduce.

ryanmercer 7y ago
The problem is, a lot of even entry level professional jobs are now requiring a 4-year degree so we're basically saying "Go do low-level blue collar work or take on tens of thousands (or hundreds) of dollars of debt as a lottery ticket to see if you'll get lucky enough to actually be able to service that debt in a timely fashion"
- sodafountan 7y ago
  This is a myth, If you're good people will hire you, the problem is entry level people typically aren't very good at anything so it kind of becomes a catch-22
  - ryanmercer 7y ago
    It isn't a myth, I was flat our rejected for no less than 1-dozen jobs last year that could have been described as 'entry level' with the specific citation "we are looking for applicants with at least a bachelor's degree" or some similar statement, sometimes with the alternative of "or that have worked on an important project". Edit: here's the exact wording from the one that rejected me, without an interview, for not having one when I had twice as much experience as years they'd been in business: >Hope all is well, Ryan! I wanted to extend a virtual wave and thank you for your interest in joining our team. You obviously have many of the skills we're looking for. However, for the Customs Brokerage role we require a BA/BS degree as well as previous experience in a broker role doing entries and customs classifications I'd literally been writing entries and doing customs classification for TWELVE YEARS at that point. I even have multiple awards for it, which were reflected on my CV. Trying to get out of this field I applied to dozens of of jobs last year that were 'entry level' or minimal learning curve with any previous office experience and I think exactly 12 replied (the rest never heard from, even after trying to follow up), all of them stating lack of degree as a disqualifier. One included: >We'd welcome another application in no fewer than 12 months - the best way to stand out is to complete a major project or produce an important result in that time Which was obviously copy paste from other job positions as none of that even makes sense for the listing I bloody applied to! It was an entry level assistant job and even then they said MASTERS preferred but no requirement.

ryanmercer 7y ago

The problem is, a lot of even entry level professional jobs are now requiring a 4-year degree so we're basically saying "Go do low-level blue collar work or take on tens of thousands (or hundreds) of dollars of debt as a lottery ticket to see if you'll get lucky enough to actually be able to service that debt in a timely fashion"

sodafountan 7y ago
This is a myth, If you're good people will hire you, the problem is entry level people typically aren't very good at anything so it kind of becomes a catch-22
- ryanmercer 7y ago
  It isn't a myth, I was flat our rejected for no less than 1-dozen jobs last year that could have been described as 'entry level' with the specific citation "we are looking for applicants with at least a bachelor's degree" or some similar statement, sometimes with the alternative of "or that have worked on an important project". Edit: here's the exact wording from the one that rejected me, without an interview, for not having one when I had twice as much experience as years they'd been in business: >Hope all is well, Ryan! I wanted to extend a virtual wave and thank you for your interest in joining our team. You obviously have many of the skills we're looking for. However, for the Customs Brokerage role we require a BA/BS degree as well as previous experience in a broker role doing entries and customs classifications I'd literally been writing entries and doing customs classification for TWELVE YEARS at that point. I even have multiple awards for it, which were reflected on my CV. Trying to get out of this field I applied to dozens of of jobs last year that were 'entry level' or minimal learning curve with any previous office experience and I think exactly 12 replied (the rest never heard from, even after trying to follow up), all of them stating lack of degree as a disqualifier. One included: >We'd welcome another application in no fewer than 12 months - the best way to stand out is to complete a major project or produce an important result in that time Which was obviously copy paste from other job positions as none of that even makes sense for the listing I bloody applied to! It was an entry level assistant job and even then they said MASTERS preferred but no requirement.