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The problem is that, as "edgy" as this statement might sound, it's genuinely hard to draw the line between the con and the real thing. This doesn't appear to be

by Bakary 7y ago

The problem is that, as "edgy" as this statement might sound, it's genuinely hard to draw the line between the con and the real thing. This doesn't appear to be qualitatively different from the Church's system of indulgences, to name one example. Religious organizations have a clear incentive to generate money. At least with science, you can point to actual inventions and innovations that have a measurable and noticeable impact. Religion can and does have a beneficial impact especially in poor regions, but it does so independently of whether its teachings have any particular truth to them. If the world were reset somehow, you'd end up with a completely different set of religious beliefs that would nonetheless have a similar role as a social bonding agent, whereas you would have a decent chance of the same research being done again if the scientific method does end up being developed in the world.

umvi 7y ago
> If the world were reset somehow, you'd end up with a completely different set of religious beliefs that would nonetheless have a similar role as a social bonding agent, whereas you would have a decent chance of the same research being done again if the scientific method does end up being developed in the world. This statement is made from the assumption that God doesn't exist and that all religions are equally false. From my perspective, I would argue that if you reset the world, yes, purely man-made religions would disappear and be replaced by different (man-made) ones, but ultimately God's true religion would always re-emerge. For example, in my completely biased opinion, religions like Scientology and Buddism would disappear on world reset to possibly be replaced with some roughly equivalent man-made belief systems under different names (or not). But Christianity (insert the "true" religion here) would persist on world reset (perhaps even under the same name), and the entire Abrahamic-family of religions would re-emerge under different names. They might not be known as "Judaism" or "Islam" or "Protestantism" but basically God would call Abraham-esque prophets to establish his religion, the religion would go off the rails, false prophets would emerge, people would try to restore the church to it's previous state, God would re-establish with new prophets, etc., and you would be left with hundreds of similar prophet-based religions all in the same family of religions, all worshiping the same God, all acknowledging a common set of scripture (which would have the same core religious beliefs as the pre-reset world did), all acknowledging a common set of (ancient) prophets, but with varying dogmatic differences due to aforementioned corruptions.
- lalaland1125 7y ago
  How can you tell what "God's true religion" is? I'm sure you would get very different answers from a Buddhist or Scientologist.
  - umvi 7y ago
    > How can you tell what "God's true religion" is? Are you asking my opinion? My opinion is that the only way to tell is to ask God directly, study it out in your mind, and follow your gut. If God exists, he should be the only one that can tell a person what His true religion is and will confirm his true religion in a way that you recognize. I believe it is also possible to have reproducible spiritual experiences/impressions confirming your choice.
    - mikeash 7y ago
      The trouble is that many Buddhists and Scientologists and others would say exactly the same thing.
      - umvi 7y ago
        I actually doubt it in those two cases. Most religious people believe only because of tradition; they haven't confirmed it for themselves. Many religions convert people with fellowship (i.e. they are converted because they like the new friends they have made) or by using confidence tricks on vulnerable people to tell them what to believe. I doubt there are many that tell prospective converts to go out on their own and ask God and decide for themselves. At any rate, I believe it worked for me and I believe anyone would come to the same conclusion given enough earnest searching.
        mikeash 7y ago
        There aren’t many Christians who tell prospective converts to go out on their own and ask God either. That sort of thing is in a minority everywhere. Of course you believe anyone would come to the same conclusion. And the fervent Hindu/Buddhist/Scientologist/Sikh/Zoroastrian who went through the same process believes the same thing about their religion. I imagine you’ll say that such people didn’t do it right... because they didn’t reach the conclusion you did?

by Bakary 7y ago

umvi 7y ago

> If the world were reset somehow, you'd end up with a completely different set of religious beliefs that would nonetheless have a similar role as a social bonding agent, whereas you would have a decent chance of the same research being done again if the scientific method does end up being developed in the world. This statement is made from the assumption that God doesn't exist and that all religions are equally false. From my perspective, I would argue that if you reset the world, yes, purely man-made religions would disappear and be replaced by different (man-made) ones, but ultimately God's true religion would always re-emerge. For example, in my completely biased opinion, religions like Scientology and Buddism would disappear on world reset to possibly be replaced with some roughly equivalent man-made belief systems under different names (or not). But Christianity (insert the "true" religion here) would persist on world reset (perhaps even under the same name), and the entire Abrahamic-family of religions would re-emerge under different names. They might not be known as "Judaism" or "Islam" or "Protestantism" but basically God would call Abraham-esque prophets to establish his religion, the religion would go off the rails, false prophets would emerge, people would try to restore the church to it's previous state, God would re-establish with new prophets, etc., and you would be left with hundreds of similar prophet-based religions all in the same family of religions, all worshiping the same God, all acknowledging a common set of scripture (which would have the same core religious beliefs as the pre-reset world did), all acknowledging a common set of (ancient) prophets, but with varying dogmatic differences due to aforementioned corruptions.

lalaland1125 7y ago
How can you tell what "God's true religion" is? I'm sure you would get very different answers from a Buddhist or Scientologist.
- umvi 7y ago
  > How can you tell what "God's true religion" is? Are you asking my opinion? My opinion is that the only way to tell is to ask God directly, study it out in your mind, and follow your gut. If God exists, he should be the only one that can tell a person what His true religion is and will confirm his true religion in a way that you recognize. I believe it is also possible to have reproducible spiritual experiences/impressions confirming your choice.
  - mikeash 7y ago
    The trouble is that many Buddhists and Scientologists and others would say exactly the same thing.
    - umvi 7y ago
      I actually doubt it in those two cases. Most religious people believe only because of tradition; they haven't confirmed it for themselves. Many religions convert people with fellowship (i.e. they are converted because they like the new friends they have made) or by using confidence tricks on vulnerable people to tell them what to believe. I doubt there are many that tell prospective converts to go out on their own and ask God and decide for themselves. At any rate, I believe it worked for me and I believe anyone would come to the same conclusion given enough earnest searching.
      - mikeash 7y ago
        There aren’t many Christians who tell prospective converts to go out on their own and ask God either. That sort of thing is in a minority everywhere. Of course you believe anyone would come to the same conclusion. And the fervent Hindu/Buddhist/Scientologist/Sikh/Zoroastrian who went through the same process believes the same thing about their religion. I imagine you’ll say that such people didn’t do it right... because they didn’t reach the conclusion you did?