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We developers and startup founders can vote with our feet. If we want to keep a free open web or turn it into a Google owned publishing platform. If we want to

We developers and startup founders can vote with our feet. If we want to keep a free open web or turn it into a Google owned publishing platform. If we want to keep it open, we can simply keep building great websites. Real websites. Without "amp" and "portals". Example: HN itself. No amp, much joy! Or take a hint from Google themselves. They don't offer an amp version of their search results. And will never allow anybody to embed their site.

matz1 7y ago
Yes that's why I am voting with my feet by implementing amp in my site.
Angostura 7y ago
As users we can complain to sites too. I hate amp sites.
- JohnFen 7y ago
  I don't bother to complain. I just stop going to those sites altogether.
getpolarized 7y ago
We didn't vote with our feet regarding Facebook. Every startup founder defected and surrendered to Facebook in favor of more pageviews. It's like the prisoners dilemma only with startups and instead of going to prison you have to use Facebook.
- JohnFen 7y ago
  > We didn't vote with our feet regarding Facebook. Some of us did.
  - AJ007 7y ago
    The visibility of non paid posts on Facebook is a fraction of what it used to be. When it was high, it made sense that companies built their businesses around it. Those companies, at best, are hobbling along, like Zynga or Buzzfeed, or at worst, dead, like most of them. What matters a lot right now is something else: the direct timeline accurate and somewhat algorithm free, communication channels companies have with their customers (and you have with your friends.) That is email and messaging. We should be paying a lot closer attention and giving greater caution to Gmail, Facebook Messenger and WhatsApp. Particularly Gmail.
    - JohnFen 7y ago
      > We should be paying a lot closer attention and giving greater caution to Gmail, Facebook Messenger and WhatsApp. Particularly Gmail. I agree. And I voted with my feet on those as well.
- hammock 7y ago
  It wouldn't matter. It's the publishers that are hurt the most (many of them did try to fight back)
skybrian 7y ago
Hacker News is great, but notice that few news sites look like Hacker News. Instead we often use outline.com, which as far as the news publisher is concerned is worse than what Google is doing because they lose all control. (If adopted at scale.)
- asdff 7y ago
  RSS my man, give yourself the reigns.
lern_too_spel 7y ago
> They don't offer an amp version of their search results. That's nonsensical. The whole point of AMP is to be able to safely prerender third party content. The search results page is first party.
- drdeca 7y ago
  First party to who? What if reddit wants to pre-render some google search result page when people submit a link to one? Wouldn’t reddit then be the first party, and google the third party? Why should google be considered to have the right to be prior to reddit? (Reddit here is just an example. My point isn’t about reddit.)
  - lern_too_spel 7y ago
    > What if reddit wants to pre-render some google search result page when people submit a link to one? Google search results pages are personalized, so they cannot safely be prerendered. Even if Google had some reason to prerender unpersonalized results, Reddit would first need to implement an AMP cache before it would make sense for Google to optimize for it.

matz1 7y ago

Yes that's why I am voting with my feet by implementing amp in my site.

Angostura 7y ago

As users we can complain to sites too. I hate amp sites.

JohnFen 7y ago
I don't bother to complain. I just stop going to those sites altogether.

getpolarized 7y ago

We didn't vote with our feet regarding Facebook. Every startup founder defected and surrendered to Facebook in favor of more pageviews. It's like the prisoners dilemma only with startups and instead of going to prison you have to use Facebook.

JohnFen 7y ago
> We didn't vote with our feet regarding Facebook. Some of us did.
- AJ007 7y ago
  The visibility of non paid posts on Facebook is a fraction of what it used to be. When it was high, it made sense that companies built their businesses around it. Those companies, at best, are hobbling along, like Zynga or Buzzfeed, or at worst, dead, like most of them. What matters a lot right now is something else: the direct timeline accurate and somewhat algorithm free, communication channels companies have with their customers (and you have with your friends.) That is email and messaging. We should be paying a lot closer attention and giving greater caution to Gmail, Facebook Messenger and WhatsApp. Particularly Gmail.
  - JohnFen 7y ago
    > We should be paying a lot closer attention and giving greater caution to Gmail, Facebook Messenger and WhatsApp. Particularly Gmail. I agree. And I voted with my feet on those as well.
hammock 7y ago
It wouldn't matter. It's the publishers that are hurt the most (many of them did try to fight back)

skybrian 7y ago

Hacker News is great, but notice that few news sites look like Hacker News. Instead we often use outline.com, which as far as the news publisher is concerned is worse than what Google is doing because they lose all control. (If adopted at scale.)

asdff 7y ago
RSS my man, give yourself the reigns.

lern_too_spel 7y ago

> They don't offer an amp version of their search results. That's nonsensical. The whole point of AMP is to be able to safely prerender third party content. The search results page is first party.

drdeca 7y ago
First party to who? What if reddit wants to pre-render some google search result page when people submit a link to one? Wouldn’t reddit then be the first party, and google the third party? Why should google be considered to have the right to be prior to reddit? (Reddit here is just an example. My point isn’t about reddit.)
- lern_too_spel 7y ago
  > What if reddit wants to pre-render some google search result page when people submit a link to one? Google search results pages are personalized, so they cannot safely be prerendered. Even if Google had some reason to prerender unpersonalized results, Reddit would first need to implement an AMP cache before it would make sense for Google to optimize for it.