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I've been burnt by the non-Euclidian enormity of ExtJS, so I understand the desire for something simpler. On the other hand, when you leave the world of progres

by mhd 7y ago

I've been burnt by the non-Euclidian enormity of ExtJS, so I understand the desire for something simpler. On the other hand, when you leave the world of progressive enhancement and widgets (ie. jQuery), you find yourself needing a lot of common infrastructure and picking and matching that can be quite tedious (never mind dependency hell), which is something that react always had issues with -- and that seems to extend fractally, where it's not just MobX vs. React but then what framework/project setup you have on top of each of these choices. And now hooks. Still, angular always struck me as going slightly too far into Java-land -- my Struts/J2EE/DI battle scars are larger than even my ExtJS mutilations. And in between you've got VueJS/Vuex, which seems to move a bit too close to react at times, and EmberJs, which seems to move too slowly and/or without many people watching it. I really want to go back to late-90s desktop UI development sometimes…

ChicagoDave 7y ago
WebAssembly is still a couple of years away, sadly.
- mhd 7y ago
  Yes, then we'll get native J2EE in the browser instead of JS copies… The whole interaction model is just a lot more tedious than desktop UI development. One of the few approaches that I actually liked (not just tolerated) was Seaside, but that went away when the blood-dimmed tide of JS was let loose.
  - sheeshkebab 7y ago
    >then we'll get native J2EE in the browser instead of JS copies… Can’t wait. Imagining all the possibilities...
EugeneOZ 7y ago
DI in Angular 8 is much less aggressive than in AngularJS/Angular 2. At least it feels this way :)
gaze 7y ago
I miss Delphi.
- BreakItDown 7y ago
  I don't. Not even a little.
meredydd 7y ago
> I really want to go back to late-90s desktop UI development sometimes… While it's not a JS framework, can I interest you in an explicitly VB/Delphi-inspired app development tool for the web? It's got drag'n'drop design, you code entirely in Python (including the front end - it transpiles to JS), and it even has a built-in database: https://anvil.works/ https://anvil.works/

by mhd 7y ago

ChicagoDave 7y ago

WebAssembly is still a couple of years away, sadly.

mhd 7y ago
Yes, then we'll get native J2EE in the browser instead of JS copies… The whole interaction model is just a lot more tedious than desktop UI development. One of the few approaches that I actually liked (not just tolerated) was Seaside, but that went away when the blood-dimmed tide of JS was let loose.
- sheeshkebab 7y ago
  >then we'll get native J2EE in the browser instead of JS copies… Can’t wait. Imagining all the possibilities...

EugeneOZ 7y ago

DI in Angular 8 is much less aggressive than in AngularJS/Angular 2. At least it feels this way :)

gaze 7y ago

I miss Delphi.

BreakItDown 7y ago
I don't. Not even a little.

meredydd 7y ago

> I really want to go back to late-90s desktop UI development sometimes… While it's not a JS framework, can I interest you in an explicitly VB/Delphi-inspired app development tool for the web? It's got drag'n'drop design, you code entirely in Python (including the front end - it transpiles to JS), and it even has a built-in database: https://anvil.works/ https://anvil.works/