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I agree with what you're saying. This point, however, is wrong. I don't think it being wrong changes your argument at all. > suicide is a [...] a mental illne

by DanBC 7y ago

I agree with what you're saying. This point, however, is wrong. I don't think it being wrong changes your argument at all. > suicide is a [...] a mental illness rather than an action someone chooses or is lead into. Lots of people who die by suicide do not have a history of mental illness and would not meet a definition of "mentally ill" at the time of their death. They die because of rapid onset despair rather than mental illness. They are "capacitous" - they know what they're doing and why they're doing it and they know the consequences and they've made the choice.

laumars 7y ago
It's a misconception that mental illness means someone who isn't capacitous. Granted that can be the case at the extreme end of the spectrum but the term is a lot broader than that.
- DanBC 7y ago
  Please read the researchers. Many people who die by suicide don't meet the criteria for mental illness at the time of their death and haven't had a history of mental ill health. https://twitter.com/AASuicidology/status/1097907434402779137 https://twitter.com/AASuicidology/status/1097907434402779137 https://twitter.com/ProfLAppleby/status/939820235946971138 https://twitter.com/ProfLAppleby/status/939820235946971138 https://twitter.com/ProfLAppleby/status/981608114112946177 https://twitter.com/ProfLAppleby/status/981608114112946177 https://twitter.com/JE_Boland/status/958649913159581696 https://twitter.com/JE_Boland/status/958649913159581696 https://twitter.com/CRHT_Julie/status/987008407738769408 https://twitter.com/CRHT_Julie/status/987008407738769408
  - laumars 7y ago
    I wasn't disagreeing with the point that not everyone who commits suicide is mentally ill. I was disagreeing with your point that all sufferers of mental illness are in a state of psychosis. I also disagree with how you're interchanging "history of mental ill health" with "mental illness" because it's not always something one is born with. Lastly I don't think those twitter links are the best examples of your point because they are ostensibly saying "It's not a forgone conclusion; more research is needed." Which I absolutely do agree with. However, to get back to point, I do agree that not everyone who has suicidal thoughts, or who is suicidal, is mentally ill. I was being rather terse in my earlier post and in doing so had obviously mislead. So apologies for that.

by DanBC 7y ago

laumars 7y ago

It's a misconception that mental illness means someone who isn't capacitous. Granted that can be the case at the extreme end of the spectrum but the term is a lot broader than that.

DanBC 7y ago
Please read the researchers. Many people who die by suicide don't meet the criteria for mental illness at the time of their death and haven't had a history of mental ill health. https://twitter.com/AASuicidology/status/1097907434402779137 https://twitter.com/AASuicidology/status/1097907434402779137 https://twitter.com/ProfLAppleby/status/939820235946971138 https://twitter.com/ProfLAppleby/status/939820235946971138 https://twitter.com/ProfLAppleby/status/981608114112946177 https://twitter.com/ProfLAppleby/status/981608114112946177 https://twitter.com/JE_Boland/status/958649913159581696 https://twitter.com/JE_Boland/status/958649913159581696 https://twitter.com/CRHT_Julie/status/987008407738769408 https://twitter.com/CRHT_Julie/status/987008407738769408
- laumars 7y ago
  I wasn't disagreeing with the point that not everyone who commits suicide is mentally ill. I was disagreeing with your point that all sufferers of mental illness are in a state of psychosis. I also disagree with how you're interchanging "history of mental ill health" with "mental illness" because it's not always something one is born with. Lastly I don't think those twitter links are the best examples of your point because they are ostensibly saying "It's not a forgone conclusion; more research is needed." Which I absolutely do agree with. However, to get back to point, I do agree that not everyone who has suicidal thoughts, or who is suicidal, is mentally ill. I was being rather terse in my earlier post and in doing so had obviously mislead. So apologies for that.