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Let me rephrase your response. > Humans learned about new things for thousands of years without the modern of technology. > I have no fear that the news of us

Let me rephrase your response. > Humans learned about new things for thousands of years without the modern of technology. > I have no fear that the news of useful and interesting information will spread just fine even if technology is massively reduced. Sure, we don't need ads the same way we don't need computers. I however like being able to learn about things outside my physical filter bubble and immensely enjoy my used tools and electronics (along with the massive coat savings) I've bought from ads on Craigslist.

dwaltrip 7y ago
You would have been able to find those same tools and electronics, you may have had to just spend a few minutes browsing some sort of catalog. The lack of advertisements wouldn't cause any serious difficulties.
- jasode 7y ago
  >You would have been able to find those same tools and electronics, you may have had to just spend a few minutes browsing some sort of catalog. You may have read the gp's comment too quickly. The context was used tools and electronics from Craigslist ads. The "used" would be pre-owned and less expensive, and "Craigslist" presumably means buying from a local seller. Catalogs for tools and electronics are typically new items that are national in scope instead of local. The Craigslist advertisements made him _aware_ of a local seller selling a used tool that he wanted. What would be the non-advertising way to accomplish that same goal? Possibly driving to flea markets or swap meets every week? But the sellers with their wares on display are themselves a form of advertising. It's also an incredibly inefficient use of time to repeatedly drive to a location and walk away empty-handed compared to seeing a relevant Craigslist ad. >some sort of catalog. The lack of advertisements wouldn't cause any serious difficulties. Fyi in case you were unaware... Many retailers' catalogs are created with ad sponsorships to offset the cost of printing, mailing, etc.
  - dwaltrip 7y ago
    In the new world, you would pay a small fee for a quality catalog. I guarantee you some sort of comparable solution would arise for used goods. Once again, perhaps it is as simple as something like a craigslist requiring a small fee. It could be subscription based, a fee paid by the seller (to place the listing or when the sale is completed), and so on. Aren't there apps already doing this? And of course, there are likely many other good solutions that I'm not thinking of. Lastly, we don't have to ban _all_ advertising. We could significantly reduce it and gain many of the same benefits.
    - jasode 7y ago
      >, a fee paid by the seller (to place the listing) Right, and the print version of that in newspapers was actually called "classified ads". The listing is an advertisement from the seller trying to make the public aware of what he's trying to sell. The seller paid a fee to the newspaper to list his item. >Lastly, we don't have to ban _all_ advertising. Ok, that comment changes things. I was interpreting your previous claim of "the lack of advertisements" as literal absolutism and it seemed to contradict the concept of "classified ads" which you approved of. I understand you just want less ads.
      - dwaltrip 7y ago
        They are called classified ads if they are placed in the newspaper, as the primary purpose of the newspaper is to deliver the news, not sell things. They wouldn't be considered ads if it was a dedicated medium intended primarily to facilitate the exchange of used goods (or whatever product). This is what I was referring to. But even still, classified ads are an interesting case. They feel closer to a catalog than your standard advertisement.
        jasode 7y ago
        >They wouldn't be considered ads if it was a dedicated medium intended primarily to facilitate the exchange of used goods (or whatever product). This is what I was referring to. Then I admit I don't follow what your reply[0] was about to jimktrains2 comment "I've bought from ads on Craigslist." With my straight reading of your subsequent replies, it seems like your suggestion of "a dedicated medium intended primarily to facilitate the exchange of used goods" -- is exactly what Craigslist already _is_ -- and you had originally dismissed Craigslist ads in your reply to jimktrains2. Perhaps the conversation seems nonsensical to me because you were unaware of what Craigslist actually _is_? From the wiki[1]: "Craigslist is an American classified advertisements website" [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20040659 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20040659 [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craigslist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craigslist

dwaltrip 7y ago

You would have been able to find those same tools and electronics, you may have had to just spend a few minutes browsing some sort of catalog. The lack of advertisements wouldn't cause any serious difficulties.

jasode 7y ago
>You would have been able to find those same tools and electronics, you may have had to just spend a few minutes browsing some sort of catalog. You may have read the gp's comment too quickly. The context was used tools and electronics from Craigslist ads. The "used" would be pre-owned and less expensive, and "Craigslist" presumably means buying from a local seller. Catalogs for tools and electronics are typically new items that are national in scope instead of local. The Craigslist advertisements made him _aware_ of a local seller selling a used tool that he wanted. What would be the non-advertising way to accomplish that same goal? Possibly driving to flea markets or swap meets every week? But the sellers with their wares on display are themselves a form of advertising. It's also an incredibly inefficient use of time to repeatedly drive to a location and walk away empty-handed compared to seeing a relevant Craigslist ad. >some sort of catalog. The lack of advertisements wouldn't cause any serious difficulties. Fyi in case you were unaware... Many retailers' catalogs are created with ad sponsorships to offset the cost of printing, mailing, etc.
- dwaltrip 7y ago
  In the new world, you would pay a small fee for a quality catalog. I guarantee you some sort of comparable solution would arise for used goods. Once again, perhaps it is as simple as something like a craigslist requiring a small fee. It could be subscription based, a fee paid by the seller (to place the listing or when the sale is completed), and so on. Aren't there apps already doing this? And of course, there are likely many other good solutions that I'm not thinking of. Lastly, we don't have to ban _all_ advertising. We could significantly reduce it and gain many of the same benefits.
  - jasode 7y ago
    >, a fee paid by the seller (to place the listing) Right, and the print version of that in newspapers was actually called "classified ads". The listing is an advertisement from the seller trying to make the public aware of what he's trying to sell. The seller paid a fee to the newspaper to list his item. >Lastly, we don't have to ban _all_ advertising. Ok, that comment changes things. I was interpreting your previous claim of "the lack of advertisements" as literal absolutism and it seemed to contradict the concept of "classified ads" which you approved of. I understand you just want less ads.
    - dwaltrip 7y ago
      They are called classified ads if they are placed in the newspaper, as the primary purpose of the newspaper is to deliver the news, not sell things. They wouldn't be considered ads if it was a dedicated medium intended primarily to facilitate the exchange of used goods (or whatever product). This is what I was referring to. But even still, classified ads are an interesting case. They feel closer to a catalog than your standard advertisement.
      - jasode 7y ago
        >They wouldn't be considered ads if it was a dedicated medium intended primarily to facilitate the exchange of used goods (or whatever product). This is what I was referring to. Then I admit I don't follow what your reply[0] was about to jimktrains2 comment "I've bought from ads on Craigslist." With my straight reading of your subsequent replies, it seems like your suggestion of "a dedicated medium intended primarily to facilitate the exchange of used goods" -- is exactly what Craigslist already _is_ -- and you had originally dismissed Craigslist ads in your reply to jimktrains2. Perhaps the conversation seems nonsensical to me because you were unaware of what Craigslist actually _is_? From the wiki[1]: "Craigslist is an American classified advertisements website" [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20040659 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20040659 [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craigslist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craigslist