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I don't think anyone is arguing that these burgers are healthier than eating salmon and broccoli. Just healthier and more environmentally friendly than ground
by JamesBarney 7y ago
I don't think anyone is arguing that these burgers are healthier than eating salmon and broccoli. Just healthier and more environmentally friendly than ground beef.
His complaint is
> 8/ My larger concern on both of these burgers is that - at minimum - they are HIGHLY processed products with lots of stuff that doesn't lead to healthier humans: vegetable oils, soy, protein isolates, additives, all non-organic. They are not real foods. (cough, Soylent)
Mainstream science doesn't think vegetable oil is worse for you than burger fat.
It doesn't think soy is bad for you
It doesn't think orgamic is healthy for you.
He doesn't specify which additives are bad for you and I'm too lazy to go through all the additives.
And I have no idea what science thinks about protein isolate but I doubt it's any worse for you than other forms of protein.
He just stringing together a bunch of friends truisms and pretending it's a rock solid case.
P.s. I don't understand why they're getting so much hate for a fairly innocuous product that is trying to do some good.
- cannonedhamster 7y agoHe hates on it because it impacts the profits of the products he sells. That's it. Never trust someone who is motivated by profit to believe a particular narrative.
- undersuit 7y agoAren't the producers of Beyond Burger also motivated by profit and therefore just as suspect?
- closetohome 7y agoI don't see Beyond Burger talking shit about Justin Mares.
- cannonedhamster 7y agoI'm going to say yes. You should be just as suspect of health claims and sustainability claims of a plant based burger. But there's generally science to back up that a plant based diet it both better for the environment and better for health reasons than a meat based diet. Does that mean you shouldn't eat meat? I mean, you do you, but if you care about the environment or health generally the veggie burgers are more likely than not to be more supportive of your belief system. If you don't care about either of those things, then I suppose you would choose on taste and that's a personal preference.
- sridca 7y ago> But there's generally science to back up that a plant based diet it both better for [...] health reasons than a meat based diet Try reading these nutritional studies and you will see how much bullshit is behind them. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20029519 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20029519 It still amazes me that people surrender to nutritional authorities, instead of self-experimenting (cf. Asra Conlu on YouTube) and finding out the facts for themselves.
- closetohome 7y agoYeah yeah, the meat industry has quibbles with the WHO study connecting red meat to cancer. Shocker.
- sridca 7y agoHave you read those studies yet? If not you are wasting your breath away on borrowed beliefs.
- closetohome 7y agoI did. It read like a corporate brochure.
- sridca 7y agoI'm referring to the studies behind the "science" you claim to back up that a plant based diet is both better for [...] health reasons than a meat based diet. Unless you have read those studies, before seeing how much bullshit is behind them, you'd be wasting your breath away on borrowed beliefs. But then I doubt you are capable of doing it, as even a scientific review appears as "corporate brochure" to you.
- closetohome 7y agoTrust me - I'm considerably more knowledgable on this topic than yourself. Agro industry propaganda always looks the same.
- sridca 7y ago> I don't think anyone is arguing that these burgers are healthier than eating salmon and broccoli. Just healthier and more environmentally friendly than ground beef. I can't speak for environmental friendliness, but I doubt these burgers are "healthier" than ground beef (especially from humanely raised cattle), which I eat on daily basis. Come meet me in person and tell me that I look unhealthier.
- jaworrom 7y agoToo much vegetable oil? Your ratio of Omega-3:Omega-6 fatty acids will be out of whack, causing inflammation in the body. Too much soy? There are plenty of PubMed studies that cite soy's effect on hormones and the estrogenic activity that it can cause. It seems to come down to balance.
- JamesBarney 7y agoVegetable oil isn't especially healthy, but sunflower oil isn't unhealthy compared to the fats in a burger. Most studies looking at soy's effect on the body find a positive or neutral effect. Only a few(mostly in vitro) studies show the opposite.
- tracker1 7y agoI'm not sure I'm convinced they're better than burgers from grass fed ruminant animals. Then again, I'm allergic to legumes so won't be having them anyway.