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What I found really interesting is all this shit treatment has not effected tourism to the United States. I would think there would be huge backlash to all of t

What I found really interesting is all this shit treatment has not effected tourism to the United States. I would think there would be huge backlash to all of this, but nope US continues to be a popular spot for foreigners to visit. They don't care about the dehumanization. If there was a huge backlash they might stop to not hurt all the tourism dollars, but no they just keep on keeping on.

empath75 7y ago
Hard to say how much tourism there would be in a more sane security and immigration environment.
creato 7y ago
Because is it really that terrible? Yeah airport security is a bit annoying and maybe you get sternly told to do something. So what? The comments here make it sound like the TSA is committing war crimes or something. I think it's dumb, I think it's a waste of time, I think it's ineffective. I also think that most of the time, most people spend 5-40 minutes in line, get through it, and promptly forget about it. Expecting it to affect tourism to the US seems totally absurd to me.
- chrismcb 7y ago
  Yes it is terrible. It wastes billions of dollars plus additional billions of dollars of time. It is unconstitutional. It doesnt do anything. And it purports to make us safe by making us unsafe. We have to stand in line that can easily be targeted, stands next to a barrel full of suspected explisives, walk barefoot across a dirty floor, and potentially felt up.
  - epscoe 7y ago
    This point grinds my gears toothless. I've been angry enough at the misery and indignity of TSA procedures to point out (in an airport) how easy it would be for anybody to bomb the dozens/hundreds of people stuck in the 'security' line. Fortunately I wasn't prevented from boarding my flight. I guess the counter-argument is how much more damage could be done if they got on a plane and hijacked it, but I feel like some other safeguards would be far more effective than having somebody in a back room looking at a scan of my naked body (and my family's).
dragonsky67 7y ago
It certainly is on my list as a negative if the opportunity to holiday in the US comes up. There are plenty of other places that are higher on my destination list, so it's unlikely to factor in any decision.
- jddj 7y ago
  You can add me as a datapoint as well, it definitely factors into some of my decisions (eg. Should I layover in the US or somewhere with saner immigration + security controls?).
chrismcb 7y ago
Because the US isn't the only country doing this.
MaysonL 7y ago
from a 2001 low, it seems to have been on a steady upward trend to 2015, and has been flat to down since then. https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/tourist-arrivals https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/tourist-arrivals

empath75 7y ago

Hard to say how much tourism there would be in a more sane security and immigration environment.

creato 7y ago

Because is it really that terrible? Yeah airport security is a bit annoying and maybe you get sternly told to do something. So what? The comments here make it sound like the TSA is committing war crimes or something. I think it's dumb, I think it's a waste of time, I think it's ineffective. I also think that most of the time, most people spend 5-40 minutes in line, get through it, and promptly forget about it. Expecting it to affect tourism to the US seems totally absurd to me.

chrismcb 7y ago
Yes it is terrible. It wastes billions of dollars plus additional billions of dollars of time. It is unconstitutional. It doesnt do anything. And it purports to make us safe by making us unsafe. We have to stand in line that can easily be targeted, stands next to a barrel full of suspected explisives, walk barefoot across a dirty floor, and potentially felt up.
- epscoe 7y ago
  This point grinds my gears toothless. I've been angry enough at the misery and indignity of TSA procedures to point out (in an airport) how easy it would be for anybody to bomb the dozens/hundreds of people stuck in the 'security' line. Fortunately I wasn't prevented from boarding my flight. I guess the counter-argument is how much more damage could be done if they got on a plane and hijacked it, but I feel like some other safeguards would be far more effective than having somebody in a back room looking at a scan of my naked body (and my family's).

dragonsky67 7y ago

It certainly is on my list as a negative if the opportunity to holiday in the US comes up. There are plenty of other places that are higher on my destination list, so it's unlikely to factor in any decision.

jddj 7y ago
You can add me as a datapoint as well, it definitely factors into some of my decisions (eg. Should I layover in the US or somewhere with saner immigration + security controls?).

chrismcb 7y ago

Because the US isn't the only country doing this.

MaysonL 7y ago

from a 2001 low, it seems to have been on a steady upward trend to 2015, and has been flat to down since then. https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/tourist-arrivals https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/tourist-arrivals