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I suspect it’s not his decision to make.

by jakear 7y ago

pvg 7y ago
You think someone is telling Carmack where he can and can't post? Why one earth would they do that? And why on earth would he put up with it?
- setpatchaddress 7y ago
  It doesn't have to be coercive. Some of us would like to know what the people who hire us are up to even if we don't personally have any interest in it.
- jakear 7y ago
  More that the company’s culture says you should post things using the company’s platform, and to not do so might be making a statement he doesn’t want to make. Otherwise, why would he move away from .plan?
  - tqi 7y ago
    Could it be that a lot of people don't know what a .plan file is, or how to read content from one?
    - roghummal 7y ago
      If John Carmack started updating a .plan, people would figure out how to check a .plan.
  - pvg 7y ago
    You said 'it wasn't his decision to make' not 'perhaps he wants to use his employer's platform'. If you don't want to imply it's coercive, you should phrase it in a way that doesn't imply it's coercive.
    - jakear 7y ago
      I believe it’s a “perhaps he feels he should be using his employer’s platform”. A murky coercion middle ground.
      - pvg 7y ago
        Ok, but "I don't think it's his decision" is then a weirdly overwrought (or less charitably, thoughtlessly provocative) thing to say. It's totally his decision. Nor do I think anyone at FB would be stupid enough to tell him where to post random ffmpeg things. He's also active on twitter - as you can see in the post we're discussing.
cookiecaper 7y ago
That's totally absurd. Luminaries like Carmack are anything but prisoners; any firm in SV would pay big bucks to say "John Carmack works here". Facebook may be a big conglomerate these days, and they may not be the cool kid on the block anymore, but that doesn't mean that they're idiots. If anything, they treasure the presence of someone like Carmack all the more, because it's no longer reputionally-free for people like him to come on board. I'm sure that Facebook is appreciative when he blogs on their platform, but it's patently ridiculous to pretend that anyone would -- or could -- force it. In fact, Facebook has already been forced to pay at least dozens of millions of dollars essentially as a direct consequence of employing Carmack [0], and I'd be willing to bet they'd happily pay (at least) dozens of millions more. If you want your mind blown even harder, look up some of the paperwork around the Waymo / Uber debacle [1]. SV companies pay big bucks for this type of talent, even the ones you haven't heard of, like Anthony Levandowski. If the roll of the dice is in your favor, SV stardom is at least as valuable as Hollywood stardom (and, for the most part anyway, you still get to walk around in public unharrassed). Disclaimer: I have no special connection with any of the companies or people mentioned, I don't know the inside baseball, and this is all conjecture. But at least it's better supported than yours. ;) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZeniMax_v._Oculus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZeniMax_v._Oculus [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/03/waymos-uber-lawsuit-reveals-anthony-levandowskis-120m-pay.html https://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/03/waymos-uber-lawsuit-reveals-...
- wavefunction 7y ago
  Picturing The Zuck leading two mutant mandogs on leashes: the audience is horrified to realize they're Yann LeCun and John Carmack, though 'heavily modified' and almost unrecognizable in their snarling ferocity. "This fist holds the Ego. This fist holds the Id. I bring you a new existence: the GlobalCoin. I came up with that myself. As Super-Ego."
  - spongo 7y ago
    I appreciate your imagination. [not the person you responded to]
- MaupitiBlue 7y ago
Barrin92 7y ago
John Carmack can blog about ffmpeg bugs wherever he wants. Like there is no way stopping him from doing that is even remotely legal. He probably just posts on facebook because it's convenient and reaches a lot of people.
- ClassyJacket 7y ago
  I distinctly remember him saying he was only creating a facebook account because Oculus was bought by them. I strongly doubt he would be on there at all if it wasn't for the acquisition.
- jakear 7y ago
  I don’t mean that he is legally bound to the platform. Just that the company culture is to use the platform, and he may see not using the platform as making a statement he does not want to make.
russtrotter 7y ago
I don't think the statement is entirely unreasonable given that JC is a facebook employee, he's one of the tech masterminds behind their VR initiatives and the optics of having the tech face of Occulus dog-food your social media platform is important to at least some of the brass there.

I suspect it’s not his decision to make.

by jakear 7y ago

I suspect it’s not his decision to make.

pvg 7y ago

You think someone is telling Carmack where he can and can't post? Why one earth would they do that? And why on earth would he put up with it?

setpatchaddress 7y ago
It doesn't have to be coercive. Some of us would like to know what the people who hire us are up to even if we don't personally have any interest in it.
jakear 7y ago
More that the company’s culture says you should post things using the company’s platform, and to not do so might be making a statement he doesn’t want to make. Otherwise, why would he move away from .plan?
- tqi 7y ago
  Could it be that a lot of people don't know what a .plan file is, or how to read content from one?
  - roghummal 7y ago
    If John Carmack started updating a .plan, people would figure out how to check a .plan.
- pvg 7y ago
  You said 'it wasn't his decision to make' not 'perhaps he wants to use his employer's platform'. If you don't want to imply it's coercive, you should phrase it in a way that doesn't imply it's coercive.
  - jakear 7y ago
    I believe it’s a “perhaps he feels he should be using his employer’s platform”. A murky coercion middle ground.
    - pvg 7y ago
      Ok, but "I don't think it's his decision" is then a weirdly overwrought (or less charitably, thoughtlessly provocative) thing to say. It's totally his decision. Nor do I think anyone at FB would be stupid enough to tell him where to post random ffmpeg things. He's also active on twitter - as you can see in the post we're discussing.

cookiecaper 7y ago

That's totally absurd. Luminaries like Carmack are anything but prisoners; any firm in SV would pay big bucks to say "John Carmack works here". Facebook may be a big conglomerate these days, and they may not be the cool kid on the block anymore, but that doesn't mean that they're idiots. If anything, they treasure the presence of someone like Carmack all the more, because it's no longer reputionally-free for people like him to come on board. I'm sure that Facebook is appreciative when he blogs on their platform, but it's patently ridiculous to pretend that anyone would -- or could -- force it. In fact, Facebook has already been forced to pay at least dozens of millions of dollars essentially as a direct consequence of employing Carmack [0], and I'd be willing to bet they'd happily pay (at least) dozens of millions more. If you want your mind blown even harder, look up some of the paperwork around the Waymo / Uber debacle [1]. SV companies pay big bucks for this type of talent, even the ones you haven't heard of, like Anthony Levandowski. If the roll of the dice is in your favor, SV stardom is at least as valuable as Hollywood stardom (and, for the most part anyway, you still get to walk around in public unharrassed). Disclaimer: I have no special connection with any of the companies or people mentioned, I don't know the inside baseball, and this is all conjecture. But at least it's better supported than yours. ;) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZeniMax_v._Oculus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZeniMax_v._Oculus [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/03/waymos-uber-lawsuit-reveals-anthony-levandowskis-120m-pay.html https://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/03/waymos-uber-lawsuit-reveals-...

wavefunction 7y ago
Picturing The Zuck leading two mutant mandogs on leashes: the audience is horrified to realize they're Yann LeCun and John Carmack, though 'heavily modified' and almost unrecognizable in their snarling ferocity. "This fist holds the Ego. This fist holds the Id. I bring you a new existence: the GlobalCoin. I came up with that myself. As Super-Ego."
- spongo 7y ago
  I appreciate your imagination. [not the person you responded to]
MaupitiBlue 7y ago

Barrin92 7y ago

John Carmack can blog about ffmpeg bugs wherever he wants. Like there is no way stopping him from doing that is even remotely legal. He probably just posts on facebook because it's convenient and reaches a lot of people.

ClassyJacket 7y ago
I distinctly remember him saying he was only creating a facebook account because Oculus was bought by them. I strongly doubt he would be on there at all if it wasn't for the acquisition.
jakear 7y ago
I don’t mean that he is legally bound to the platform. Just that the company culture is to use the platform, and he may see not using the platform as making a statement he does not want to make.

russtrotter 7y ago

I don't think the statement is entirely unreasonable given that JC is a facebook employee, he's one of the tech masterminds behind their VR initiatives and the optics of having the tech face of Occulus dog-food your social media platform is important to at least some of the brass there.