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I don't think it is "strong ties to the Chinese government" as much as it is "literally the Chinese government." If you can imagine how uncomfortable other nat

I don't think it is "strong ties to the Chinese government" as much as it is "literally the Chinese government." If you can imagine how uncomfortable other nations should be having the Chinese government running their next gen 5g telecom infrastructure everything makes a lot more sense. It's not just the USA that is refusing to use Huawei. Japan etc. have said hell no. https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/04/20/cia-offers-proof-huawei-has-been-funded-by-chinas-military-and-intelligence/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/04/20/cia-offer... https://www.scmp.com/tech/tech-leaders-and-founders/article/2177194/japan-decides-exclude-huawei-zte-government https://www.scmp.com/tech/tech-leaders-and-founders/article/...

anonymouslambda 7y ago
So where is the actual evidence? Why won't the CIA present it publicly? Or should we just believe the CIA that it has this "evidence"?
- merpnderp 7y ago
  There might not be any evidence. It might simply be the possibility of an update with backdoors/military payloads that gets pushed worldwide moments before a shooting war begins, or as a way to paralyze the world when negotiations become heated.
DiogenesKynikos 7y ago
Huawei is a private company. The logic of this argument is that no Chinese company whatsoever is reliable. There's literally nothing Huawei can possibly do to allay the fears of people who take this attitude.
- jorblumesea 7y ago
  I don't think anyone who knows anything about China believes "private company" means anything in that country. The founder was literally a PLA and a huge amount of private ventures have deep ties to both the CCP, either in funding, talent or both. It's not a coincidence that APT steals IP and "somehow" Chinese companies have advanced 20 years in research.
  - DiogenesKynikos 7y ago
    "Private company" means a lot in China. The state-owned enterprises operate very differently from the privately owned businesses. Tencent and Alibaba are dramatically different from state-owned enterprises. > The founder was literally a PLA Along with literally millions of other Chinese people. Being in the PLA when he was young means next to nothing.
    - asdff 7y ago
      My concern is that even if the boardroom in Huawei and every single employee all the way down operated in good faith, there is nothing from stopping the Chinese government from taking control of the technology if they wanted to. This is a government that is currently operating concentration camps.
      - DiogenesKynikos 7y ago
        Every company is subject to pressure from their country's intelligence agencies. If an American company is ordered to spy on its customers, there's little it can do. This happened with Lavabit, which Edward Snowden used as an encrypted email provider. The US government forced the founder of Lavabit to hand over the website's SSL private key. If you're afraid of a foreign country using its technology providers to spy on you, you have two options: 1. Don't use technology from that country. 2. Only use technology from that country that you are confident you can audit. There's nothing Huawei can do, beyond what it's already done (offer to open up its tech for audits by foreign intelligence services), to allay the fundamental fears you're expressing. In the same manner, there's almost nothing American companies can do to allay the fears of foreigner countries (or US citizens, for that manner) that their tech won't be used by American intelligence agencies. The logical conclusion of this is that every country must develop its own technological base, and that's not a future I want to live in.
      - powerapple 7y ago
        The concern is legit. That's why Huawei is the most audited telecom equipment provider. Also that's why U.S. has hacked into Huawei years ago. I am pretty sure if there is anything, it would have surfaced years ago. In a way, the whole thing has made Huawei more reliable than other provider if you object monitoring from U.S. government.

anonymouslambda 7y ago

So where is the actual evidence? Why won't the CIA present it publicly? Or should we just believe the CIA that it has this "evidence"?

merpnderp 7y ago
There might not be any evidence. It might simply be the possibility of an update with backdoors/military payloads that gets pushed worldwide moments before a shooting war begins, or as a way to paralyze the world when negotiations become heated.

DiogenesKynikos 7y ago

Huawei is a private company. The logic of this argument is that no Chinese company whatsoever is reliable. There's literally nothing Huawei can possibly do to allay the fears of people who take this attitude.

jorblumesea 7y ago
I don't think anyone who knows anything about China believes "private company" means anything in that country. The founder was literally a PLA and a huge amount of private ventures have deep ties to both the CCP, either in funding, talent or both. It's not a coincidence that APT steals IP and "somehow" Chinese companies have advanced 20 years in research.
- DiogenesKynikos 7y ago
  "Private company" means a lot in China. The state-owned enterprises operate very differently from the privately owned businesses. Tencent and Alibaba are dramatically different from state-owned enterprises. > The founder was literally a PLA Along with literally millions of other Chinese people. Being in the PLA when he was young means next to nothing.
  - asdff 7y ago
    My concern is that even if the boardroom in Huawei and every single employee all the way down operated in good faith, there is nothing from stopping the Chinese government from taking control of the technology if they wanted to. This is a government that is currently operating concentration camps.
    - DiogenesKynikos 7y ago
      Every company is subject to pressure from their country's intelligence agencies. If an American company is ordered to spy on its customers, there's little it can do. This happened with Lavabit, which Edward Snowden used as an encrypted email provider. The US government forced the founder of Lavabit to hand over the website's SSL private key. If you're afraid of a foreign country using its technology providers to spy on you, you have two options: 1. Don't use technology from that country. 2. Only use technology from that country that you are confident you can audit. There's nothing Huawei can do, beyond what it's already done (offer to open up its tech for audits by foreign intelligence services), to allay the fundamental fears you're expressing. In the same manner, there's almost nothing American companies can do to allay the fears of foreigner countries (or US citizens, for that manner) that their tech won't be used by American intelligence agencies. The logical conclusion of this is that every country must develop its own technological base, and that's not a future I want to live in.
    - powerapple 7y ago
      The concern is legit. That's why Huawei is the most audited telecom equipment provider. Also that's why U.S. has hacked into Huawei years ago. I am pretty sure if there is anything, it would have surfaced years ago. In a way, the whole thing has made Huawei more reliable than other provider if you object monitoring from U.S. government.