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To bypass the pay/nag wall: https://outline.com/9mHK5d https://outline.com/9mHK5d Important to note that this "purge" is only for wholesale suppliers, not for

To bypass the pay/nag wall: https://outline.com/9mHK5d https://outline.com/9mHK5d Important to note that this "purge" is only for wholesale suppliers, not for marketplace sellers like the title implies. Amazon is basically only going to purchase products for resale from large suppliers, and will shove the rest into the normal marketplace operations where they have to compete with everyone else on actually selling and shipping their products direct to consumers. Also of note is that this won't do anything to address the criticisms of rampant counterfeit and/or garbage quality products on the marketplace.

rinze 7y ago
I've always found this extension pretty useful against 'cookie-walls': https://github.com/Cookie-AutoDelete/Cookie-AutoDelete https://github.com/Cookie-AutoDelete/Cookie-AutoDelete. Also, general cookie hygiene.
Goronmon 7y ago
Also of note is that this won't do anything to address the criticisms of rampant counterfeit and/or garbage quality products on the marketplace. If anything it will only make it worse, as many of shrinking number of items sold by Amazon will now be tossed into the garbage pile along with everything else in the marketplace.
JohnFen 7y ago
> Important to note that this "purge" is only for wholesale suppliers, not for marketplace sellers like the title implies. Yes, but I avoid the marketplace sellers. I've been burned too often with those -- if I'm going to roll the dice on that sort of thing, I'm better off with eBay.
- theturtletalks 7y ago
  What most people don't realize is that Amazon fees are 15% and most suppliers do FBA which tacks on a more expensive shipping charge than you would have otherwise with USPS. eBay on the other hand charges 10% and sellers can ship items the cheapest way. Those same suppliers on Amazon list the their items on eBay for cheaper since they net the same after fees.
  - rootusrootus 7y ago
    I find a lot of things these days are actually slightly more expensive on eBay. I also see a lot of duplicate listings by the same (or apparently the same) seller with wildly varying prices. I still buy stuff on eBay once in a while, but it's not the place to go anymore for the best deal. And after you're accustomed to 1-2 day shipping from Amazon, waiting a couple weeks for an eBay shipment is a non-starter.
    - theturtletalks 7y ago
      I think what you are finding are eBay sellers dropshipping the items from Amazon directly. So those items will be more expensive since the sellers have to make up the 10% eBay fee. I'm talking about the Amazon sellers that use something like Channel Advisor and are listing the same products on eBay for less. But finding those sellers takes effort in some cases.
      - rootusrootus 7y ago
        That may be exactly what happens on the back end. I only see it from a consumer point of view. I can't reliably best Amazon prices by going to eBay, I have to go somewhere like Walmart.
        dawnerd 7y ago
        > I can't reliably best Amazon prices by going to eBay, I have to go somewhere like Walmart. reply A lot of eBay sellers actually source from Walmart. I have. I works pretty great... sometimes. Just gotta be quick about getting their clearance items or pricing mistakes.
        JohnFen 7y ago
        I intentionally refuse to do business with Walmart. That I may be unintentionally helping them to make money bothers me.
- criddell 7y ago
  I wish Amazon would let me set a flag to only return results for things sold by Amazon themselves.
  - droussel 7y ago
    100% that. The only way to filter on the seller is to dig to the deepest category level, which is not ideal.
  - sodiumfree 7y ago
    Well, then you'd miss out on a lot of great products from third-party sellers, and with this latest push that is the subject of this article, you'd see less and less showing up. ...and you can do this after you do a search and see results and get to where you have additional filtering options. I'm guilty of using "Show only Prime offers" or whatever that one is called. After becoming a seller that does FBA and seller-fulfilled, I use that filter less. There are great small businesses that still ship very fast, and at competitive prices and since I'm one now, I feel their pain and want to support them too. I can also be patient on a lot of my shipments and don't require 2-day shipping.
    - JohnFen 7y ago
      > There are great small businesses that still ship very fast, and at competitive prices and since I'm one now The problem is that there are also a lot of scumbags doing the same thing, and it's impossible to tell the great small businesses from the scammers. I've been burned by that a few times, and it's why I don't buy anything from Amazon unless Amazon is fulfilling the order (where I have at least some recourse). If I'm buying directly from small sellers, I'm either using their website directly or I'm doing it on eBay.
- mrfusion 7y ago
  How do you avoid them?
dang 7y ago
Ok, we can get wholesale for you in the title above.
- mdorazio 7y ago
  Perfect, thanks.
ikeboy 7y ago
>they have to compete with everyone else on actually selling and shipping their products direct to consumers Incorrect, that would entail shutting down FBA which they aren't doing.
stcredzero 7y ago
Amazon is basically only going to purchase products for resale from large suppliers, and will shove the rest into the normal marketplace operations where they have to compete with everyone else on actually selling and shipping their products direct to consumers. "Your margins are our opportunity." -- Jeff Bezos.
JumpCrisscross 7y ago
> To bypass the pay/nag wall Why Outline over the Internet Archive [1]? The Archive is a non-profit with a decent privacy policy and identifiable leadership. Outline is an anonymous entity of unknown organisation with unknown motives. [1] https://archive.org https://archive.org
- rileymat2 7y ago
  Why use Internet Archive bandwidth when an alternative is there?
  - JumpCrisscross 7y ago
    > Why use Internet Archive bandwidth when an alternative is there? Outline looks sketchy. Its privacy policy allows for disclosure to analytics companies "or when Outline believes in good faith that disclosure is reasonably necessary to protect the property or rights of Outline, third parties or the public at large" [1]. (TL; DR Whenever, too whomever.) It explicitly considers business transfers, implying for-profit motives. We don't know where it's incorporated. We don't know what kind of entity it is, nor to whom its beholden. We don't even know who is in charge nor how they're incentivized. The Archives is run by honest people. If you don't like using their resources without compensation, donate to them. (Or, better yet, pay for the journalism you value.) Outline is a lousy attempt at infringement for unknown gain by unknown people, a passable MITM. [1] https://www.outline.com/privacy.html https://www.outline.com/privacy.html
- achow 7y ago
  On August 4, 2014, Topolsky (co-founder and editor-in-chief of The Verge) stepped down from The Verge and Vox Media to join Bloomberg "as the editor of a series of new online ventures it is introducing as part of a revamped journalism strategy". He left Bloomberg in July 2015 after clashes with Michael Bloomberg over the direction of its digital media strategy and started the digital news company The Outline. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Topolsky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Topolsky
  - 7y ago

rinze 7y ago

I've always found this extension pretty useful against 'cookie-walls': https://github.com/Cookie-AutoDelete/Cookie-AutoDelete https://github.com/Cookie-AutoDelete/Cookie-AutoDelete. Also, general cookie hygiene.

Goronmon 7y ago

Also of note is that this won't do anything to address the criticisms of rampant counterfeit and/or garbage quality products on the marketplace. If anything it will only make it worse, as many of shrinking number of items sold by Amazon will now be tossed into the garbage pile along with everything else in the marketplace.

JohnFen 7y ago

> Important to note that this "purge" is only for wholesale suppliers, not for marketplace sellers like the title implies. Yes, but I avoid the marketplace sellers. I've been burned too often with those -- if I'm going to roll the dice on that sort of thing, I'm better off with eBay.

theturtletalks 7y ago
What most people don't realize is that Amazon fees are 15% and most suppliers do FBA which tacks on a more expensive shipping charge than you would have otherwise with USPS. eBay on the other hand charges 10% and sellers can ship items the cheapest way. Those same suppliers on Amazon list the their items on eBay for cheaper since they net the same after fees.
- rootusrootus 7y ago
  I find a lot of things these days are actually slightly more expensive on eBay. I also see a lot of duplicate listings by the same (or apparently the same) seller with wildly varying prices. I still buy stuff on eBay once in a while, but it's not the place to go anymore for the best deal. And after you're accustomed to 1-2 day shipping from Amazon, waiting a couple weeks for an eBay shipment is a non-starter.
  - theturtletalks 7y ago
    I think what you are finding are eBay sellers dropshipping the items from Amazon directly. So those items will be more expensive since the sellers have to make up the 10% eBay fee. I'm talking about the Amazon sellers that use something like Channel Advisor and are listing the same products on eBay for less. But finding those sellers takes effort in some cases.
    - rootusrootus 7y ago
      That may be exactly what happens on the back end. I only see it from a consumer point of view. I can't reliably best Amazon prices by going to eBay, I have to go somewhere like Walmart.
      - dawnerd 7y ago
        > I can't reliably best Amazon prices by going to eBay, I have to go somewhere like Walmart. reply A lot of eBay sellers actually source from Walmart. I have. I works pretty great... sometimes. Just gotta be quick about getting their clearance items or pricing mistakes.
        JohnFen 7y ago
        I intentionally refuse to do business with Walmart. That I may be unintentionally helping them to make money bothers me.
criddell 7y ago
I wish Amazon would let me set a flag to only return results for things sold by Amazon themselves.
- droussel 7y ago
  100% that. The only way to filter on the seller is to dig to the deepest category level, which is not ideal.
- sodiumfree 7y ago
  Well, then you'd miss out on a lot of great products from third-party sellers, and with this latest push that is the subject of this article, you'd see less and less showing up. ...and you can do this after you do a search and see results and get to where you have additional filtering options. I'm guilty of using "Show only Prime offers" or whatever that one is called. After becoming a seller that does FBA and seller-fulfilled, I use that filter less. There are great small businesses that still ship very fast, and at competitive prices and since I'm one now, I feel their pain and want to support them too. I can also be patient on a lot of my shipments and don't require 2-day shipping.
  - JohnFen 7y ago
    > There are great small businesses that still ship very fast, and at competitive prices and since I'm one now The problem is that there are also a lot of scumbags doing the same thing, and it's impossible to tell the great small businesses from the scammers. I've been burned by that a few times, and it's why I don't buy anything from Amazon unless Amazon is fulfilling the order (where I have at least some recourse). If I'm buying directly from small sellers, I'm either using their website directly or I'm doing it on eBay.
mrfusion 7y ago
How do you avoid them?

dang 7y ago

Ok, we can get wholesale for you in the title above.

mdorazio 7y ago
Perfect, thanks.

ikeboy 7y ago

>they have to compete with everyone else on actually selling and shipping their products direct to consumers Incorrect, that would entail shutting down FBA which they aren't doing.

stcredzero 7y ago

Amazon is basically only going to purchase products for resale from large suppliers, and will shove the rest into the normal marketplace operations where they have to compete with everyone else on actually selling and shipping their products direct to consumers. "Your margins are our opportunity." -- Jeff Bezos.

JumpCrisscross 7y ago

> To bypass the pay/nag wall Why Outline over the Internet Archive [1]? The Archive is a non-profit with a decent privacy policy and identifiable leadership. Outline is an anonymous entity of unknown organisation with unknown motives. [1] https://archive.org https://archive.org

rileymat2 7y ago
Why use Internet Archive bandwidth when an alternative is there?
- JumpCrisscross 7y ago
  > Why use Internet Archive bandwidth when an alternative is there? Outline looks sketchy. Its privacy policy allows for disclosure to analytics companies "or when Outline believes in good faith that disclosure is reasonably necessary to protect the property or rights of Outline, third parties or the public at large" [1]. (TL; DR Whenever, too whomever.) It explicitly considers business transfers, implying for-profit motives. We don't know where it's incorporated. We don't know what kind of entity it is, nor to whom its beholden. We don't even know who is in charge nor how they're incentivized. The Archives is run by honest people. If you don't like using their resources without compensation, donate to them. (Or, better yet, pay for the journalism you value.) Outline is a lousy attempt at infringement for unknown gain by unknown people, a passable MITM. [1] https://www.outline.com/privacy.html https://www.outline.com/privacy.html
achow 7y ago
On August 4, 2014, Topolsky (co-founder and editor-in-chief of The Verge) stepped down from The Verge and Vox Media to join Bloomberg "as the editor of a series of new online ventures it is introducing as part of a revamped journalism strategy". He left Bloomberg in July 2015 after clashes with Michael Bloomberg over the direction of its digital media strategy and started the digital news company The Outline. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Topolsky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Topolsky
- 7y ago