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What exactly do you mean by "fights tooth and nail"? I had to reinstall my laptop a few months ago, and the experience was "navigate to Firefox download site,

What exactly do you mean by "fights tooth and nail"? I had to reinstall my laptop a few months ago, and the experience was "navigate to Firefox download site, download, install, set default browser"... Same as it has ever been.

pluma 7y ago
Off the top of my head: * when switching default browsers, Windows suggests you give Edge a try instead * at some point I got a Windows notification suggesting that I try Edge instead of the browser I was using IIRC they used to nag users more in the past but I think the notification I got also included an option to not be reminded again.
- gamblor956 7y ago
  Literally every Google website tries to get me to download Chrome whenever I use firefox or ie. Every. Single. Time. 2 attempts from Microsoft... not so bad.
  - pluma 7y ago
    I agree that two attempts isn't so bad. I think most users are upset because the notifications happened a lot more frequently in the past and using notifications from the OS for ads comes across as pretty slimy (because you only expect the OS to tell you when something important happens).
    - WorldMaker 7y ago
      iOS, at least, sends just as many "Tips" notifications that also border on being ads for Apple and trusted third party applications, and I've never seen anyone near as harshly complain about "ads in iOS".
Causality1 7y ago
The Bing search results beg you not to install it, then on the Default Apps menu Edge gets a "recommended for Windows 10" label unlike the other options, THEN if you try to select something else you get a popup that says "Before you switch, try Microsoft Edge-it's new, it's fast, and it's built for Windows 10." and a "Check it out" button in a bold black box, with "Switch anyway" in light grey-on-grey text underneath. It's scummy and it's insulting.
iggldiggl 7y ago
And some things ignore your default browser and force-launch Edge anyway (see https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/edgedeflector-default-browser.html https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/edgedeflector-default-browser.ht... for more details and a workaround).

pluma 7y ago

Off the top of my head: * when switching default browsers, Windows suggests you give Edge a try instead * at some point I got a Windows notification suggesting that I try Edge instead of the browser I was using IIRC they used to nag users more in the past but I think the notification I got also included an option to not be reminded again.

gamblor956 7y ago
Literally every Google website tries to get me to download Chrome whenever I use firefox or ie. Every. Single. Time. 2 attempts from Microsoft... not so bad.
- pluma 7y ago
  I agree that two attempts isn't so bad. I think most users are upset because the notifications happened a lot more frequently in the past and using notifications from the OS for ads comes across as pretty slimy (because you only expect the OS to tell you when something important happens).
  - WorldMaker 7y ago
    iOS, at least, sends just as many "Tips" notifications that also border on being ads for Apple and trusted third party applications, and I've never seen anyone near as harshly complain about "ads in iOS".

Causality1 7y ago

The Bing search results beg you not to install it, then on the Default Apps menu Edge gets a "recommended for Windows 10" label unlike the other options, THEN if you try to select something else you get a popup that says "Before you switch, try Microsoft Edge-it's new, it's fast, and it's built for Windows 10." and a "Check it out" button in a bold black box, with "Switch anyway" in light grey-on-grey text underneath. It's scummy and it's insulting.

iggldiggl 7y ago

And some things ignore your default browser and force-launch Edge anyway (see https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/edgedeflector-default-browser.html https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/edgedeflector-default-browser.ht... for more details and a workaround).