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And then you end up in that situation when they didn't actually switch, but rather made you a favor and caved in to your self-centric demands and stubborness. L

by eps 7y ago

And then you end up in that situation when they didn't actually switch, but rather made you a favor and caved in to your self-centric demands and stubborness. Like with a tantrum-prone child. They still use WhatsApp between themselves, because that's what their dentist, car mechanic and a favourite sushi takeout use. They will also more eagerly reply to IMs if they are not sent through your preferred chat system. So in the end you technically made them do your thing, but the victory is hollow. Ask me how I know.

hellcow 7y ago
Perhaps I wasn't clear, but I couldn't care less what they use to message their dentist. I care that they use Signal to message me.
- robjan 7y ago
  The problem is when one friend demands Signal, another WhatsApp, another Matrix, another Telegram, another Threema. These are all closed platforms and having loads of different apps installed which perform similar functions，to satisfy various people's dogmatic views is annoying.
  - vurpo 7y ago
    Matrix is not a closed platform, and in fact the only one of the projects you mentioned that even makes an attempt to work together with other chat protocols and networks. It is explicitly open, not locked in to any single service provider, and making an explicit effort to not limit you to chat with only other Matrix users (despite how much Signal or WhatsApp works towards the opposite).
- mav3rick 7y ago
  You just made them install one more app. And you lost friends because they didn't install an app. What a dumb way to spite Facebook.
  - hellcow 7y ago
    If a "friend" won't install an app (a 2 minute commitment?) to remain in contact, then I'm honestly fine without them contacting me. To each his own.
    - JohnFen 7y ago
      > (a 2 minute commitment?) Installing an app is more than a 2 minute commitment. You also have to be OK with that app running on your device.
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      - eps 7y ago
        It's not even that. An average person will have pages of apps installed, but that would actually use only what's on the first page. So they have a choice of bumping something off their precious FP to fit my special app or just keep it where it lands after installation, on the back pages. And if it ends up there, out of rotation, it won't see much voluntary use.

by eps 7y ago

hellcow 7y ago

Perhaps I wasn't clear, but I couldn't care less what they use to message their dentist. I care that they use Signal to message me.

robjan 7y ago
The problem is when one friend demands Signal, another WhatsApp, another Matrix, another Telegram, another Threema. These are all closed platforms and having loads of different apps installed which perform similar functions，to satisfy various people's dogmatic views is annoying.
- vurpo 7y ago
  Matrix is not a closed platform, and in fact the only one of the projects you mentioned that even makes an attempt to work together with other chat protocols and networks. It is explicitly open, not locked in to any single service provider, and making an explicit effort to not limit you to chat with only other Matrix users (despite how much Signal or WhatsApp works towards the opposite).
mav3rick 7y ago
You just made them install one more app. And you lost friends because they didn't install an app. What a dumb way to spite Facebook.
- hellcow 7y ago
  If a "friend" won't install an app (a 2 minute commitment?) to remain in contact, then I'm honestly fine without them contacting me. To each his own.
  - JohnFen 7y ago
    > (a 2 minute commitment?) Installing an app is more than a 2 minute commitment. You also have to be OK with that app running on your device.
    - deleted 7y ago
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    - eps 7y ago
      It's not even that. An average person will have pages of apps installed, but that would actually use only what's on the first page. So they have a choice of bumping something off their precious FP to fit my special app or just keep it where it lands after installation, on the back pages. And if it ends up there, out of rotation, it won't see much voluntary use.