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I would bet the NYT outsources cleaners, janitors and security guards as well.
by C1sc0cat 7y ago
I would bet the NYT outsources cleaners, janitors and security guards as well.
- gumby 7y agoThey are talking about technical people, not blue collar jobs.
- C1sc0cat 7y agoThe example was an entry level recruiter no offence but HR is not exactly technical.
- navigatesol 7y agoAre you familiar with "white collar" vs "blue collar"? Recruiting and HR are most definitely the former.
- sonnyblarney 7y agoEntry level recruiters would be staff at most companies.
- duality 7y agoIn my experience, many fintech/Wall Street firms outsource their recruitment efforts to "head hunting" firms.
- sonnyblarney 7y agoThis is something different. Every company uses agencies for all sorts of things: recruiting, marketing etc.. But when you bring people in house, if they're working 'in' your company ... then almost universally they are 'employees'. These are not 'security guards' or 'cleaners' who exist almost outside the scope of the work, they're very much within it. If you're in HR at a bank on Wall Street, doing 'recruiting' - odds are you work for the company, not a contractor.
- CydeWeys 7y agoThese contracted employees are working for other companies, not directly for Google. Their employer is Adecco or some other staffing firm (which I guess would vary by office). It's very rare to see a large tech firm contract directly with an individual employee, and it would be incredibly rare to see it happen with a lower paid position. I've never seen it personally.
- vostok 7y ago> If you're in HR at a bank on Wall Street, doing 'recruiting' - odds are you work for the company, not a contractor. Quite a few of the people I've interacted with were contractors. You can sometimes tell from their email signature even if the email address is @bank.com.
- mikejb 7y agoThey talk about one example from 121000 contractors - are you sure they don't include blue collar jobs?
- gumby 7y agoMy GF was one of those contractors. PhD. Also they discussed Ph.D linguists in the article.
- mikejb 7y agoThe argument was that the NYT article is not talking about blue-collar jobs. The NYT article is talking about 121000 contractors. Either Google has 121000 white-collar contractors, or the article also talks about blue-collar jobs.
- CydeWeys 7y agoIt most definitely does include all blue collar jobs that are contracted out, including janitors, receptionists, cafe staff, security guards, movers, and more.
- CydeWeys 7y agoThey aren't. The majority of TVCs at Google are call center workers, cafe staff, janitors, security guards, receptionists, etc. They work for companies like Adecco, Restaurant Associates, and various other staffing firms. These articles always get it wrong by completely failing to distinguish who exactly the TVCs are. They'll interview a less common white collar contractor but then use numbers for total contractors. A decisive majority of the actual white collar workers are FTEs.
- JeremyBanks 7y agoHeh. While I was at Google I was surprised to gradually realized how many the technical teams we worked with were actually non-employee contractor teams. It might vary by division.
- CydeWeys 7y agoCan you give more information, if you can? The only contractors I work with, and not too closely at that, are the tier one support people for our product in the Philippines. And then there's some web developers, designers, and project managers who work for a web design firm, but their job seems pretty cushy so I wouldn't include them in this conversation.
- ensignavenger 7y agoA lot of journalists are freelance- is the NYT an exception to this trend?
- C1sc0cat 7y agobut but Journalists are special :-)
- gniv 7y agoJournalists too.
- JudgeWapner 7y agoI would bet those services are included in the lease agreement provided by the property management company they pay their rent to.
- gipp 7y agoNYT owns their building.