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So W3C is signing to confirm their irrelevance?

by jsgyx 7y ago

klez 7y ago
FWIW, w3c publishes and standardize a lot more than just HTML and DOM. So calling it irrelevant seems a bit of a stretch.
- geezerjay 7y ago
  I would also add that having third-parties propose specifications to standardization bodies is a widely established practice. In fact, standards are supposes to reflect industry practices and are a way to establish common ground.
baybal2 7y ago
Indeed, and so will Mozilla do once Google and Apple decide that they no longer need them to legitimise WHATWG. Mozilla execs dug a ditch for W3C, but fell in it themselves. Mozilla set itself on this trajectory once they stopped their backing of W3C. The only point of Firefox was it delivering quick, glitch free, standard compliant web. With web standards becoming defunct, it is there no more. But hey, Mozilla execs can keep assigning themselves high six digit salaries...
- sheepdestroyer 7y ago
  What could Mozilla have done with W3C making HTML5 DRM (EME) part of the official spec? That stance is the main reason W3C lost support from the community (They not only lost Mozilla but also EFF and a lot of trust from independent developers). That DRM affair was also conducted in a very shady way with secret votes, etc...
  - mehh 7y ago
    Lost trust from a small but very vocal bunch of disruptive people and others who don't know what that actual issue is but seemed like a good band wagon to jump on grrrr big business giving it to the man!
  - frivoal 7y ago
    W3C didn't loose Mozilla over EME. 1) Mozilla is still an active participant in W3C (there are many more things than HTML there) 2) Mozilla supported EME. Maybe reluctantly, but supported it nonetheless.
hungryfoolish 7y ago
No, the W3C publishes a lot of standards apart from HTML and DOM, and they would still be somehow involved here too. However, it is indeed sad that the HTML spec is now controlled by browser makers only, and the editors are mostly from just one company.

So W3C is signing to confirm their irrelevance?

by jsgyx 7y ago

So W3C is signing to confirm their irrelevance?

klez 7y ago

FWIW, w3c publishes and standardize a lot more than just HTML and DOM. So calling it irrelevant seems a bit of a stretch.

geezerjay 7y ago
I would also add that having third-parties propose specifications to standardization bodies is a widely established practice. In fact, standards are supposes to reflect industry practices and are a way to establish common ground.

baybal2 7y ago

Indeed, and so will Mozilla do once Google and Apple decide that they no longer need them to legitimise WHATWG. Mozilla execs dug a ditch for W3C, but fell in it themselves. Mozilla set itself on this trajectory once they stopped their backing of W3C. The only point of Firefox was it delivering quick, glitch free, standard compliant web. With web standards becoming defunct, it is there no more. But hey, Mozilla execs can keep assigning themselves high six digit salaries...

sheepdestroyer 7y ago
What could Mozilla have done with W3C making HTML5 DRM (EME) part of the official spec? That stance is the main reason W3C lost support from the community (They not only lost Mozilla but also EFF and a lot of trust from independent developers). That DRM affair was also conducted in a very shady way with secret votes, etc...
- mehh 7y ago
  Lost trust from a small but very vocal bunch of disruptive people and others who don't know what that actual issue is but seemed like a good band wagon to jump on grrrr big business giving it to the man!
- frivoal 7y ago
  W3C didn't loose Mozilla over EME. 1) Mozilla is still an active participant in W3C (there are many more things than HTML there) 2) Mozilla supported EME. Maybe reluctantly, but supported it nonetheless.

hungryfoolish 7y ago

No, the W3C publishes a lot of standards apart from HTML and DOM, and they would still be somehow involved here too. However, it is indeed sad that the HTML spec is now controlled by browser makers only, and the editors are mostly from just one company.