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I think itd look like a Nissan Leaf, a car that has sold in only moderate numbers over the years

lucideer 7y ago
I get that EVs in general haven't been historically popular cars, but stating that Nissan Leaf, literally the best selling EV of all time, has only sold in "moderate numbers", is a bit of a joke. Even in annual sales, it's only recently been surpassed by the Model S. Furthermore, while it does do relatively close to half the range of a Model S (and the gp did state "half"), given Tesla's advances in range, along with Nissan's own advances in battery longevity, I don't think they're skimping on cheap tech for low range. One could go a lot lower and still have a very usable city car. All that said, the general point was: would it sell. The Leaf is extremely popular in Europe where (in my highly subjective opinion) car buying is slightly more rational/practical: the US market seems to favour mass-for-the-sake-of-it (clearly evident even comparing the range of cars available on the market in Europe vs the US), so I don't think smaller would do well there.
- dvdbloc 7y ago
  I guess I should have clarified that I meant it has sold in moderate numbers compared to ICE car sales. Honda sells over 300k Civics each year.
  - lucideer 7y ago
    Fair. You're right that the Leaf hasn't been the breakthrough dominator in the car market, propelling EVs to the top. But I the fact it got into the same order of magnitude as popular ICEs does seem like something of a breakthrough.
yread 7y ago
Moderate numbers? 400.000 cars?! It's "the world's all-time best-selling highway-capable electric car" according to wiki
pjc50 7y ago
It's sold a lot more than Tesla, but the CEO doesn't have as entertaining a social media presence so everyone forgets that.
thrower123 7y ago
According to Wikipedia, the Leaf has sold 400k units over it's lifetime. In comparison, Ford sold more than 450k F-series pickups in the first six months of 2018[1]. [1] https://www.autonews.com/article/20180716/RETAIL01/180719854/ford-f-series-on-record-sales-pace-despite-hurdles https://www.autonews.com/article/20180716/RETAIL01/180719854...

I get that EVs in general haven't been historically popular cars, but stating that Nissan Leaf, literally the best selling EV of all time, has only sold in "moderate numbers", is a bit of a joke. Even in annual sales, it's only recently been surpassed by the Model S. Furthermore, while it does do relatively close to half the range of a Model S (and the gp did state "half"), given Tesla's advances in range, along with Nissan's own advances in battery longevity, I don't think they're skimping on cheap tech for low range. One could go a lot lower and still have a very usable city car. All that said, the general point was: would it sell. The Leaf is extremely popular in Europe where (in my highly subjective opinion) car buying is slightly more rational/practical: the US market seems to favour mass-for-the-sake-of-it (clearly evident even comparing the range of cars available on the market in Europe vs the US), so I don't think smaller would do well there.

dvdbloc 7y ago
I guess I should have clarified that I meant it has sold in moderate numbers compared to ICE car sales. Honda sells over 300k Civics each year.
- lucideer 7y ago
  Fair. You're right that the Leaf hasn't been the breakthrough dominator in the car market, propelling EVs to the top. But I the fact it got into the same order of magnitude as popular ICEs does seem like something of a breakthrough.

yread 7y ago

Moderate numbers? 400.000 cars?! It's "the world's all-time best-selling highway-capable electric car" according to wiki

pjc50 7y ago

It's sold a lot more than Tesla, but the CEO doesn't have as entertaining a social media presence so everyone forgets that.

thrower123 7y ago

According to Wikipedia, the Leaf has sold 400k units over it's lifetime. In comparison, Ford sold more than 450k F-series pickups in the first six months of 2018[1]. [1] https://www.autonews.com/article/20180716/RETAIL01/180719854/ford-f-series-on-record-sales-pace-despite-hurdles https://www.autonews.com/article/20180716/RETAIL01/180719854...