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I don't think so, most people buy Tesla based on their marketing, most people who actually enjoy driving prefer ICE, I have test driven Tesla and they feel noth

by omeid2 7y ago

I don't think so, most people buy Tesla based on their marketing, most people who actually enjoy driving prefer ICE, I have test driven Tesla and they feel nothing like a BMW M4 or a Mercedes C63 MG, it feels like driving a big go-kart and handles rather poorly. The interior of Tesla feels plastic and amateur for it's price range, no one outside of the cult says nice stuff about their frame either: https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-model-3-design-profits-20181017-story.html https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-model-3-design-profit...

SheinhardtWigCo 7y ago
> most people buy Tesla based on their marketing Most people buy things based on marketing. > most people who actually enjoy driving prefer ICE Did you just make that up? It sounds a lot like gatekeeping. > it feels like driving a big go-kart That's a big plus for some. > no one outside of the cult says nice stuff about their frame either: [link] The linked article is content marketing for a teardown consultant who wasn't privy to tradeoffs made during the design process.
- omeid2 7y ago
  > Most people buy things based on marketing. There is a difference between buying Channel products based on marketing and buying your power tools based on marketing. The difference is that one is marketing for actual spec and durability the other for status and gimmicks or worst outright lies. > Did you just make that up? It sounds a lot like gatekeeping. The sales number speaks for it self, along with TSLA Financial Results. >> it feels like driving a big go-kart and handles rather poorly. > That's a big plus for some. Not sure what you're getting at, people who would not buy low range and specially lower performance cars somehow would prefer go-kart like feeling and handling? > The linked article is content marketing for a teardown consultant who wasn't privy to tradeoffs made during the design process. Calling Munro a marketing consultant is a poor effort.
arijun 7y ago
> most people buy Tesla based on their marketing That's a rather strong statement! Do you have any source for it? > most people who actually enjoy driving prefer ICE I don't know where you got that idea from--a quick survey of google results for "Model S review" gives me the opposite impression: It has a "fun-to-drive nature" [1], "it’s addictively fast" [2], "fast and great to drive" [3]. The only negative quote I could find was that it "can certainly hack the pace, but it doesn’t bring much sporting engagement" [4], about the 2013 version before any improvements (not that I know they changed the reviewers opinion). > no one outside of the cult says nice stuff If I was being uncharitable I might say it seems you're in a different, but equally dogmatic cult. [1] https://www.caranddriver.com/tesla/model-s https://www.caranddriver.com/tesla/model-s [2] https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/tesla/model-s https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/tesla/model-s [3] https://www.motortrend.com/news/2013-motor-trend-car-of-the-year-tesla-model-s/ https://www.motortrend.com/news/2013-motor-trend-car-of-the-... [4] https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/tesla/model-s/ride https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/tesla/model-s/ride
tyfon 7y ago
I just ordered a model x despite being very skeptical. However I don't have the consciousness to drive a petrol car any longer, my kids will murder me when they grow up. So I looked at all the viable cars, my summer house is 440 km from here and I would like to be able to get there in an emergency on one charge and I have a big cat that needs room + family. I've been saying for years that I want an electric but I want a "real" car maker to build a proper one. So now we are here with two new competitors. The I-Pace has too short range and too little space. The E-tron has too short range and too little space. In the end the model x was the only viable one for my criteria. My biggest counter before to the tesla was the build quality, but after inspecting several model x and testing them, it is noting like the old model s versions with rattling windows etc. It actually feels like a nice car.
- badpun 7y ago
  > However I don't have the consciousness to drive a petrol car any longer, my kids will murder me when they grow up. Is there assesment available of full environmental impact of an ICE vs electric car in a country like US (with a certain mix of green and non-green sources of electricity)? Generally, more stuff goes into an EV, so the production is probably higher impact - I wonder how the all-inclusive numbers look like.
  - JeffL 7y ago
    The Teslas may cost more upfront, but they save a ton on gas, oil, maintenance, etc, and are estimated to last for up to a million miles.
  - tyfon 7y ago
    I don't know about the US, but since the power here is 99% hydroelectric it should only be the manufacturing and transportation emissions (it has to be transported from the US to Holland and then here.
  - kwhitefoot 7y ago
    Even if the electricity comes from coal an electric car is still more efficient than petrol.
JeffL 7y ago
I bought a Tesla because it was rated as the best car ever made. It's the safest, one of the fastest, has amazing tech, and is a complete blast to drive. I've never loved a car like I love my Tesla. Driving an ICE car after getting used to the powerful, instant torque of an EV, and the one pedal driving feels absolutely terrible. Tesla doesn't even do any traditional marketing. They are selling hundreds of thousands of cars mostly by word of mouth and wildly enthusiastic owners spreading the love. I believe Tesla is also the highest rated car by owner satisfaction?

by omeid2 7y ago

SheinhardtWigCo 7y ago

> most people buy Tesla based on their marketing Most people buy things based on marketing. > most people who actually enjoy driving prefer ICE Did you just make that up? It sounds a lot like gatekeeping. > it feels like driving a big go-kart That's a big plus for some. > no one outside of the cult says nice stuff about their frame either: [link] The linked article is content marketing for a teardown consultant who wasn't privy to tradeoffs made during the design process.

omeid2 7y ago
> Most people buy things based on marketing. There is a difference between buying Channel products based on marketing and buying your power tools based on marketing. The difference is that one is marketing for actual spec and durability the other for status and gimmicks or worst outright lies. > Did you just make that up? It sounds a lot like gatekeeping. The sales number speaks for it self, along with TSLA Financial Results. >> it feels like driving a big go-kart and handles rather poorly. > That's a big plus for some. Not sure what you're getting at, people who would not buy low range and specially lower performance cars somehow would prefer go-kart like feeling and handling? > The linked article is content marketing for a teardown consultant who wasn't privy to tradeoffs made during the design process. Calling Munro a marketing consultant is a poor effort.

arijun 7y ago

> most people buy Tesla based on their marketing That's a rather strong statement! Do you have any source for it? > most people who actually enjoy driving prefer ICE I don't know where you got that idea from--a quick survey of google results for "Model S review" gives me the opposite impression: It has a "fun-to-drive nature" [1], "it’s addictively fast" [2], "fast and great to drive" [3]. The only negative quote I could find was that it "can certainly hack the pace, but it doesn’t bring much sporting engagement" [4], about the 2013 version before any improvements (not that I know they changed the reviewers opinion). > no one outside of the cult says nice stuff If I was being uncharitable I might say it seems you're in a different, but equally dogmatic cult. [1] https://www.caranddriver.com/tesla/model-s https://www.caranddriver.com/tesla/model-s [2] https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/tesla/model-s https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/tesla/model-s [3] https://www.motortrend.com/news/2013-motor-trend-car-of-the-year-tesla-model-s/ https://www.motortrend.com/news/2013-motor-trend-car-of-the-... [4] https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/tesla/model-s/ride https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/tesla/model-s/ride

tyfon 7y ago

I just ordered a model x despite being very skeptical. However I don't have the consciousness to drive a petrol car any longer, my kids will murder me when they grow up. So I looked at all the viable cars, my summer house is 440 km from here and I would like to be able to get there in an emergency on one charge and I have a big cat that needs room + family. I've been saying for years that I want an electric but I want a "real" car maker to build a proper one. So now we are here with two new competitors. The I-Pace has too short range and too little space. The E-tron has too short range and too little space. In the end the model x was the only viable one for my criteria. My biggest counter before to the tesla was the build quality, but after inspecting several model x and testing them, it is noting like the old model s versions with rattling windows etc. It actually feels like a nice car.

badpun 7y ago
> However I don't have the consciousness to drive a petrol car any longer, my kids will murder me when they grow up. Is there assesment available of full environmental impact of an ICE vs electric car in a country like US (with a certain mix of green and non-green sources of electricity)? Generally, more stuff goes into an EV, so the production is probably higher impact - I wonder how the all-inclusive numbers look like.
- JeffL 7y ago
  The Teslas may cost more upfront, but they save a ton on gas, oil, maintenance, etc, and are estimated to last for up to a million miles.
- tyfon 7y ago
  I don't know about the US, but since the power here is 99% hydroelectric it should only be the manufacturing and transportation emissions (it has to be transported from the US to Holland and then here.
- kwhitefoot 7y ago
  Even if the electricity comes from coal an electric car is still more efficient than petrol.

JeffL 7y ago

I bought a Tesla because it was rated as the best car ever made. It's the safest, one of the fastest, has amazing tech, and is a complete blast to drive. I've never loved a car like I love my Tesla. Driving an ICE car after getting used to the powerful, instant torque of an EV, and the one pedal driving feels absolutely terrible. Tesla doesn't even do any traditional marketing. They are selling hundreds of thousands of cars mostly by word of mouth and wildly enthusiastic owners spreading the love. I believe Tesla is also the highest rated car by owner satisfaction?