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You make me think that a whole new syntax for spoken programming would be key. Would be interesting to get a bunch of people to read out loud various programs

by fouc 7y ago

You make me think that a whole new syntax for spoken programming would be key. Would be interesting to get a bunch of people to read out loud various programs in various languages and in pseudocode and hammer down what might be the most natural way to do spoken programming.

harperlee 7y ago
Two avenues that I think are interesting: 1. Try to mimic english grammar. For this, Attempto controlled english (http://attempto.ifi.uzh.ch/site/ http://attempto.ifi.uzh.ch/site/) is something to review. 2. Go simpler and reduce grammar as much as possible. Prolog would be a good fit, as a program is just a set of Horn clauses.
shakna 7y ago
I've actually found that Lua is one of the least painful languages to write with voice control, as it has so few symbols - they tend to be only operators so you can switch them out easily enough in your engine. (And a few extras for moving around in your text editor, like "com jump $n upwards"). But you still do need to replace all sorts of brackets, like any language. At the moment I've got: "bracket" == ( "brace" == { "index" == [ (And "end $x" for the other side of it.) Clearly not ideal, but works well enough for now, certainly a lot less painful than trying to maintain indentation in Python with voice only. (com select 20 lines upwards, reverse tab... Followed by swearing as it tabs instead of untabs.)
- Cogito 7y ago
  For what it's worth, I've always known them as: ( parentheses (parens), alt. round bracket { brace, alt. curly bracket [ bracket, alt. square bracket The biggest confusion is between bracket and parentheses, in that people will use bracket to mean both. If I think there might be confusion I use the alternatives as they seem to remove all ambiguity.
  - shakna 7y ago
    Yeah, unfortunately "parenthesis" is a hard word for most of the Speech-To-Text engines I tried, at least with my accent. ("parent thesis") And it is somewhat of a long word to be using all the time.
    - Cogito 7y ago
      And for that reason, if I was using speech-to-code, I would probably use the alternative forms of 'round bracket', 'square bracket', and 'curly bracket' when I need to specify the type.
arccy 7y ago
Assembly sounds perfect for spoken programming
- faissaloo 7y ago
  God no, Assembly has all sorts of weird names for things like pcmpeqb
  - lichenwarp 7y ago
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by fouc 7y ago

harperlee 7y ago

Two avenues that I think are interesting: 1. Try to mimic english grammar. For this, Attempto controlled english (http://attempto.ifi.uzh.ch/site/ http://attempto.ifi.uzh.ch/site/) is something to review. 2. Go simpler and reduce grammar as much as possible. Prolog would be a good fit, as a program is just a set of Horn clauses.

shakna 7y ago

I've actually found that Lua is one of the least painful languages to write with voice control, as it has so few symbols - they tend to be only operators so you can switch them out easily enough in your engine. (And a few extras for moving around in your text editor, like "com jump $n upwards"). But you still do need to replace all sorts of brackets, like any language. At the moment I've got: "bracket" == ( "brace" == { "index" == [ (And "end $x" for the other side of it.) Clearly not ideal, but works well enough for now, certainly a lot less painful than trying to maintain indentation in Python with voice only. (com select 20 lines upwards, reverse tab... Followed by swearing as it tabs instead of untabs.)

Cogito 7y ago
For what it's worth, I've always known them as: ( parentheses (parens), alt. round bracket { brace, alt. curly bracket [ bracket, alt. square bracket The biggest confusion is between bracket and parentheses, in that people will use bracket to mean both. If I think there might be confusion I use the alternatives as they seem to remove all ambiguity.
- shakna 7y ago
  Yeah, unfortunately "parenthesis" is a hard word for most of the Speech-To-Text engines I tried, at least with my accent. ("parent thesis") And it is somewhat of a long word to be using all the time.
  - Cogito 7y ago
    And for that reason, if I was using speech-to-code, I would probably use the alternative forms of 'round bracket', 'square bracket', and 'curly bracket' when I need to specify the type.

arccy 7y ago

Assembly sounds perfect for spoken programming

faissaloo 7y ago
God no, Assembly has all sorts of weird names for things like pcmpeqb
- lichenwarp 7y ago
  papa charlie mike papa echo quebec bravo