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The behaviors described in the article remind me very strongly of ADHD. It makes sense, because the article talked about Executive Function and people have long

The behaviors described in the article remind me very strongly of ADHD. It makes sense, because the article talked about Executive Function and people have long suggested that a better name for ADHD would be Executive Function Deficit Disorder (EFDD). Furthermore, ADHD and ASD seem to commonly occur together: >studies show that between 30 and 50% of individuals with ASD manifest ADHD symptoms (particularly at pre-school age), and similarly, estimates suggest two-thirds of individuals with ADHD show features of ASD (Davis and Kollins, 2012). [0] Perhaps looking into treatments for ADHD could help? [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4010758/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4010758/

bitwize 7y ago
ADHD is highly comorbid with autism. In some cases, an ADHD diagnosis may in fact be autistic symptoms that the diagnosing clinician failed to recognize as autism.
- zaphirplane 7y ago
  That is interesting my impression (tv/random articles ) was autism was very far away from the hyperactivity in ADHD
  - kosma 7y ago
    It's an unfortunate stereotype. ADHD has loose subtypes of "mostly hyperactive" and "mostly attention deficient"; and autism spectrum consists of introverts and extroverts just as much as the general population.
    - coroxout 7y ago
      Another stereotypically-opposite but actually possibly related pairing I find interesting: the OCD stereotype is "neat freaks" (not all that accurately, because hoarding is also compulsion-related, and many types of OCD operate on a different axis to neat/messy anyway), and the ADHD stereotype is messy and chaotic, but in a way they both centre around not being able to control what your mental runtime is spent on.
  - nnq 7y ago
    ...there's ADHD-PI ("primarily inattentive") that lacks the highly visible hyperactivity signs you find in TV-stereotipical ADHD. It's even worse when masked by high-IQ and good coping behaviors, because when life hits you hard with trouble, it flares up and gets amplified a zillion time, and you go from 'genius' to 'retarded' instantly! (Couple the frustration of this with some testosterone and some bad habits and you can get pretty close to "stupid and violent criminal" levels and at that point society loses all sympathy for you. I got close to this but stopped, but I imagine that most of the clever-and-ultra-violent-criminals that fill up the prisons worldwide are mostly "my kind of people" but they just lacked some special "stabilizing component" that my brain happened to have and theirs didn't.)
    - 0815test 7y ago
      Most "clever and ultra violent" criminals by far are in fact sociopaths. Sociopathy does correlate with a severe lack in executive function, but the causal mechanism is very likely different from what we see in ADHD - it's probably a sort of "callousness towards oneself" stemming from the sociopath's exceedingly-poor emotional palette, that also leads to their callous behavior and lack of empathy towards others.
  - bitwize 7y ago
    That's the thing. Autism has so many manifestations that the saying goes "When you've met one autistic person, you met one autistic person." In fact autistic people are more neurodiverse with respect to each other than allistic people are. In addition, there are different ADHD variants as well. So any stereotypes you picked up from media are likely to be not true in the general case.
CydeWeys 7y ago
I wonder if autism/ADHD are like the cluster B personality disorders, which bleed into each other a lot and multiple of which are frequently diagnosed in the same person. There's still so much we don't yet know about mental health!

bitwize 7y ago

ADHD is highly comorbid with autism. In some cases, an ADHD diagnosis may in fact be autistic symptoms that the diagnosing clinician failed to recognize as autism.

zaphirplane 7y ago
That is interesting my impression (tv/random articles ) was autism was very far away from the hyperactivity in ADHD
- kosma 7y ago
  It's an unfortunate stereotype. ADHD has loose subtypes of "mostly hyperactive" and "mostly attention deficient"; and autism spectrum consists of introverts and extroverts just as much as the general population.
  - coroxout 7y ago
    Another stereotypically-opposite but actually possibly related pairing I find interesting: the OCD stereotype is "neat freaks" (not all that accurately, because hoarding is also compulsion-related, and many types of OCD operate on a different axis to neat/messy anyway), and the ADHD stereotype is messy and chaotic, but in a way they both centre around not being able to control what your mental runtime is spent on.
- nnq 7y ago
  ...there's ADHD-PI ("primarily inattentive") that lacks the highly visible hyperactivity signs you find in TV-stereotipical ADHD. It's even worse when masked by high-IQ and good coping behaviors, because when life hits you hard with trouble, it flares up and gets amplified a zillion time, and you go from 'genius' to 'retarded' instantly! (Couple the frustration of this with some testosterone and some bad habits and you can get pretty close to "stupid and violent criminal" levels and at that point society loses all sympathy for you. I got close to this but stopped, but I imagine that most of the clever-and-ultra-violent-criminals that fill up the prisons worldwide are mostly "my kind of people" but they just lacked some special "stabilizing component" that my brain happened to have and theirs didn't.)
  - 0815test 7y ago
    Most "clever and ultra violent" criminals by far are in fact sociopaths. Sociopathy does correlate with a severe lack in executive function, but the causal mechanism is very likely different from what we see in ADHD - it's probably a sort of "callousness towards oneself" stemming from the sociopath's exceedingly-poor emotional palette, that also leads to their callous behavior and lack of empathy towards others.
- bitwize 7y ago
  That's the thing. Autism has so many manifestations that the saying goes "When you've met one autistic person, you met one autistic person." In fact autistic people are more neurodiverse with respect to each other than allistic people are. In addition, there are different ADHD variants as well. So any stereotypes you picked up from media are likely to be not true in the general case.

CydeWeys 7y ago

I wonder if autism/ADHD are like the cluster B personality disorders, which bleed into each other a lot and multiple of which are frequently diagnosed in the same person. There's still so much we don't yet know about mental health!