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> FedEx spokeswoman Maury Donahue told Reuters the packages were “misrouted in error” and that FedEx was not requested to divert them by any other party. Scout

> FedEx spokeswoman Maury Donahue told Reuters the packages were “misrouted in error” and that FedEx was not requested to divert them by any other party. Scout's honor. Sounds a lot like Huawei saying it was just a coding error. Would they get away of a spying accusation with this? If it can happen in the US (FedEx, Cisco) it can surely happen in China. It's strange seeing people defending this as "probably an error" and perfectly acceptable when coming from one side but definitely intentional and totally unacceptable from the other. The hypocrisy is strong in this one... P.S. For the casual observer, please note that this comment is not about which company is guilty and how (un)acceptable that may be.

rgbrenner 7y ago
The difference is that Huawei has a board of CCP members that sits within Huawei and has say over their actions. While FedEx is an independent company that operates within the US, and has access to US courts to defend themselves. It's 1st party vs 3rd party, when it comes to government influence. Huawei is assumed to be working at behalf of the CCP because the CCP has management control over the company. It's like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Do you doubt that the US government has control over them? They are "independent" government sponsored companies with oversight by the US government... just like Huawei. Everyone knows Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac implement policies put in place by the US government. That's their job. But when it comes to Huawei, we're all suppose to ignore the CCP control? China likes to have state-run companies (far more than the US does). The consequence is that no one trusts you. If they don't like it, and want to build trust with their customers, then they can liberalize their markets (or at least let Huawei be a fully independent company).
- DiogenesKynikos 7y ago
  Huawei executives make management decisions at Huawei, not the CCP. I presume that what you're referencing is the existence of a CCP group at Huawei. As I understand it, all Chinese companies above a certain number of employees have a party section. That doesn't mean that the CCP controls those companies, any more than having a union means the AFL-CIO controls an American company. Huawei is subject to the same sort of potential government pressure, however, that American companies might face. If the US government sends a national security letter, American companies have to quietly comply.
- close04 7y ago
  OK, "%Government% exerts non-transparent influence over %Company%". Who am I talking about? This is not a China thing, it's not a communist thing. It's a thing, mostly a superpower thing. You can't nail one party to the cross while praising the other one for the exact same thing. I mean you can but not without a strong display of (misinformed?) hypocrisy. Again, decide for yourself what's good or bad but be consistent, not selective depending on who's doing it: "us" or "them" ;).

rgbrenner 7y ago

The difference is that Huawei has a board of CCP members that sits within Huawei and has say over their actions. While FedEx is an independent company that operates within the US, and has access to US courts to defend themselves. It's 1st party vs 3rd party, when it comes to government influence. Huawei is assumed to be working at behalf of the CCP because the CCP has management control over the company. It's like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Do you doubt that the US government has control over them? They are "independent" government sponsored companies with oversight by the US government... just like Huawei. Everyone knows Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac implement policies put in place by the US government. That's their job. But when it comes to Huawei, we're all suppose to ignore the CCP control? China likes to have state-run companies (far more than the US does). The consequence is that no one trusts you. If they don't like it, and want to build trust with their customers, then they can liberalize their markets (or at least let Huawei be a fully independent company).

DiogenesKynikos 7y ago
Huawei executives make management decisions at Huawei, not the CCP. I presume that what you're referencing is the existence of a CCP group at Huawei. As I understand it, all Chinese companies above a certain number of employees have a party section. That doesn't mean that the CCP controls those companies, any more than having a union means the AFL-CIO controls an American company. Huawei is subject to the same sort of potential government pressure, however, that American companies might face. If the US government sends a national security letter, American companies have to quietly comply.
close04 7y ago
OK, "%Government% exerts non-transparent influence over %Company%". Who am I talking about? This is not a China thing, it's not a communist thing. It's a thing, mostly a superpower thing. You can't nail one party to the cross while praising the other one for the exact same thing. I mean you can but not without a strong display of (misinformed?) hypocrisy. Again, decide for yourself what's good or bad but be consistent, not selective depending on who's doing it: "us" or "them" ;).