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The back story could just as easily be a shipping error and Huawei trying to drum up anti-American sentiment as a counter to all the bad press the US have direc

The back story could just as easily be a shipping error and Huawei trying to drum up anti-American sentiment as a counter to all the bad press the US have directed their way. Sure, it’s highly suspicious that a Hauwei shipment end up in America but equally it seems unlikely FedEx would be dumb enough to advertise that fact on their tracking page if they were ordered to divert said documents. I’m not suggesting there isn’t something deeper going on that governments are keeping classified, however if there is then they’re doing a good job of keeping it a secret by making this trade war sound like petty bickering.

samstave 7y ago
Another backstory is that huwai has long believed to be backdoring to chinese intel just as cisco has since the mid 90s... We arrested their cfo in canada and have been on attack with them since. The actual question is - the US has been doing this against them for quite some time now Mr smith. So... Did huwai just realize, or do they have enough anomalous tracking that they are leaking public to measure reaction. Look, dont be a fool - WWIII - as Einstein stated, is not nuclear, its informational - and we are in the midst; Echelon <— nobody believed this existed in the 80s and 90s Carnivore <— att guy went to jail for revealing this Stuxnet <— israel fucked that one up Duqu <— scary that this dropped off the map PRISM <— one of many of the trackers Lots more: too many. Etc Etc There are a lot of subs in that list and a lot of ghosts we dont know about... But only a moron would think that cyber war is NOT in full force
- Gibbon1 7y ago
  I operate on the idea that everyone has been back dooring and breaking into everyone else's stuff forever. I remember a picture I can't remember the details now but think the East Germans discovered a tunnel from West Berlin into a phone vault in East Berlin with a bunch of taps installed. That was in the 1960's. The Soviets were planting microwave recording devices on the east coast in the 1970's. The US has been tapping under sea cables since the 1970's. Maybe earlier. Everyone's been trying to spy on everyone else. Commercial companies are either willing partners cough facebook cough or haplessly in the middle. Notable they threw Joseph Nacchio in prison for not playing along.
- pushpop 7y ago
  I don’t think anyone is under the illusion that state sponsored espionage isn’t happening. What people are sceptical of is whether the Huawei / US trade war is a credible example of that. Half the time these stories seem about as dubious as the Bloomberg (I think it was?) Supermicro debacle. I’m genuinely open to the possibility there is something covert going on but equally I’m also exercising some healthy scepticism about the claims that are being reported. There is always the possibility that this is literally just a trade war and nothing else; and the “espionage” angle is really just unsubstantiated FUD. Ultimately we are never going to know the truth so the best we can do is enjoy our speculation for what it is.
- hindsightbias 7y ago
  “Echelon <— nobody believed this existed in the 80s and 90s” The Puzzle Palace came out in the early 80’s and 2600 was on the library shelf not much later. It was widely believed that telegram and international calls were intercepted. I knew lots of crackpots before then who insisted every domestic call was recorded and was printed speech-to-text into some giant filing cabinet, where, they couldn’t say.
pushpop 7y ago
Weird this is getting downvoted while other comments saying literally the same thing are getting up voted. Saw a few instances of this same thing happening yesterday as well. If HN were to force voters to capture their reasons for such reactions I’m sure there would be fascinating psychological study waiting to happen there.

samstave 7y ago

Another backstory is that huwai has long believed to be backdoring to chinese intel just as cisco has since the mid 90s... We arrested their cfo in canada and have been on attack with them since. The actual question is - the US has been doing this against them for quite some time now Mr smith. So... Did huwai just realize, or do they have enough anomalous tracking that they are leaking public to measure reaction. Look, dont be a fool - WWIII - as Einstein stated, is not nuclear, its informational - and we are in the midst; Echelon <— nobody believed this existed in the 80s and 90s Carnivore <— att guy went to jail for revealing this Stuxnet <— israel fucked that one up Duqu <— scary that this dropped off the map PRISM <— one of many of the trackers Lots more: too many. Etc Etc There are a lot of subs in that list and a lot of ghosts we dont know about... But only a moron would think that cyber war is NOT in full force

Gibbon1 7y ago
I operate on the idea that everyone has been back dooring and breaking into everyone else's stuff forever. I remember a picture I can't remember the details now but think the East Germans discovered a tunnel from West Berlin into a phone vault in East Berlin with a bunch of taps installed. That was in the 1960's. The Soviets were planting microwave recording devices on the east coast in the 1970's. The US has been tapping under sea cables since the 1970's. Maybe earlier. Everyone's been trying to spy on everyone else. Commercial companies are either willing partners cough facebook cough or haplessly in the middle. Notable they threw Joseph Nacchio in prison for not playing along.
pushpop 7y ago
I don’t think anyone is under the illusion that state sponsored espionage isn’t happening. What people are sceptical of is whether the Huawei / US trade war is a credible example of that. Half the time these stories seem about as dubious as the Bloomberg (I think it was?) Supermicro debacle. I’m genuinely open to the possibility there is something covert going on but equally I’m also exercising some healthy scepticism about the claims that are being reported. There is always the possibility that this is literally just a trade war and nothing else; and the “espionage” angle is really just unsubstantiated FUD. Ultimately we are never going to know the truth so the best we can do is enjoy our speculation for what it is.
hindsightbias 7y ago
“Echelon <— nobody believed this existed in the 80s and 90s” The Puzzle Palace came out in the early 80’s and 2600 was on the library shelf not much later. It was widely believed that telegram and international calls were intercepted. I knew lots of crackpots before then who insisted every domestic call was recorded and was printed speech-to-text into some giant filing cabinet, where, they couldn’t say.

pushpop 7y ago

Weird this is getting downvoted while other comments saying literally the same thing are getting up voted. Saw a few instances of this same thing happening yesterday as well. If HN were to force voters to capture their reasons for such reactions I’m sure there would be fascinating psychological study waiting to happen there.