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I think you regard this article as a tidbit to be understood by itself, but it's more of a reflection on the book. You seem to be aggrieved with it, can I ask

by rudiv 7y ago

I think you regard this article as a tidbit to be understood by itself, but it's more of a reflection on the book. You seem to be aggrieved with it, can I ask why? Or is it specifically because the Ottoman colonization of Greece was not mentioned? Because I can think of many other significant historical events that are not mentioned, but I fail to see how that's relevant.

deogeo 7y ago
> You seem to be aggrieved with it, can I ask why? I think I was very clear as to why: the article heavily implies Arab-European relations were that of one-sided colonization by Europeans, when in fact, until very recently, the opposite was the case. This would be understandable if it had limited itself to more recent history, but as it stands, I consider it lying by omission.
- mxfh 7y ago
  That's what Said's book is for and it couldn't be much clearer: "Not for nothing did Islam come to symbolize terror, devastation, the demonic. hordes of hated barbarians. For Europe. Islam was a lasting trauma. Until the end of the seventeenth century the "Ottoman peril" lurked alongside Europe to represent for the whole of Christian civilization a constant danger" The article reflects on the impact the book had since publication, it's not even close to be mistaken for an introduction or recollection of the whole topic. https://books.google.de/books?id=npF5BAAAQBAJ&pg=PA59&dq=Not+for+nothing+did+Islam+come+to+symbolize+terror,+devastation,+the+demonic.+hordes+of+hated+barbarians.+For+Europe.+Islam+was+a+lasting+trauma.+Until+the+end+of+the+seventeenth+century+the+%22Ottoman+peril%22+lurked+alongside+Europe+to+represent+for+the+whole+of+Christian+civilization+a+constant+danger&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj9vI3f3rziAhXKQxUIHbnABZoQ6AEIKjAA#v=onepage&q=Not%20for%20nothing%20did%20Islam%20come%20to%20symbolize%20terror%2C%20devastation%2C%20the%20demonic.%20hordes%20of%20hated%20barbarians.%20For%20Europe.%20Islam%20was%20a%20lasting%20trauma.%20Until%20the%20end%20of%20the%20seventeenth%20century%20the%20%22Ottoman%20peril%22%20lurked%20alongside%20Europe%20to%20represent%20for%20the%20whole%20of%20Christian%20civilization%20a%20constant%20danger&f=false https://books.google.de/books?id=npF5BAAAQBAJ&pg=PA59&dq=Not...

by rudiv 7y ago

deogeo 7y ago

> You seem to be aggrieved with it, can I ask why? I think I was very clear as to why: the article heavily implies Arab-European relations were that of one-sided colonization by Europeans, when in fact, until very recently, the opposite was the case. This would be understandable if it had limited itself to more recent history, but as it stands, I consider it lying by omission.

mxfh 7y ago
That's what Said's book is for and it couldn't be much clearer: "Not for nothing did Islam come to symbolize terror, devastation, the demonic. hordes of hated barbarians. For Europe. Islam was a lasting trauma. Until the end of the seventeenth century the "Ottoman peril" lurked alongside Europe to represent for the whole of Christian civilization a constant danger" The article reflects on the impact the book had since publication, it's not even close to be mistaken for an introduction or recollection of the whole topic. https://books.google.de/books?id=npF5BAAAQBAJ&pg=PA59&dq=Not+for+nothing+did+Islam+come+to+symbolize+terror,+devastation,+the+demonic.+hordes+of+hated+barbarians.+For+Europe.+Islam+was+a+lasting+trauma.+Until+the+end+of+the+seventeenth+century+the+%22Ottoman+peril%22+lurked+alongside+Europe+to+represent+for+the+whole+of+Christian+civilization+a+constant+danger&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj9vI3f3rziAhXKQxUIHbnABZoQ6AEIKjAA#v=onepage&q=Not%20for%20nothing%20did%20Islam%20come%20to%20symbolize%20terror%2C%20devastation%2C%20the%20demonic.%20hordes%20of%20hated%20barbarians.%20For%20Europe.%20Islam%20was%20a%20lasting%20trauma.%20Until%20the%20end%20of%20the%20seventeenth%20century%20the%20%22Ottoman%20peril%22%20lurked%20alongside%20Europe%20to%20represent%20for%20the%20whole%20of%20Christian%20civilization%20a%20constant%20danger&f=false https://books.google.de/books?id=npF5BAAAQBAJ&pg=PA59&dq=Not...