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Addicted and 3 packs are very different things. I would agree by far that being addicted to nicotine and smoking cigarettes is terrifically deleterious. But I

Addicted and 3 packs are very different things. I would agree by far that being addicted to nicotine and smoking cigarettes is terrifically deleterious. But I said only 3 packs. Not 4, not 5, or more. And with https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1117323/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1117323/ , 3 packs is 60 cigs at a total of "11 hours" shortened lifespan. > "My childhood had append-only bulletin boards and I put a lot of stuff in there that I am never going to delete. Guess what? I'm fine. And have been for twenty years." How many of those had geospacial data, telemetry, chat logs, real names policy, email logs, and more attributed to you? Kids these days do have all of that. We never did.

scarejunba 7y ago
Perhaps if you'll help me understand what 'dangerous' means to you here. I will wager⁰ $1000 that if there were two kids of equivalent lives and you give one an Echo and the other 3 packs of cigarettes, boy 2 will die earlier, have a lower quality of life throughout, and have a higher likelihood of drug abuse. Geospatial data, telemetry, chat logs, real names, email logs (we had that one, it's all our mailing list stuff). That is nothing in the face of burning tar in your lungs. I will wager actual money down on this. If you're in SF, I will send someone to meet you or your equivalent representative, with a contract you may discuss with him. 0: In fact, the $1k is intentionally low to encourage you to participate. I will do $10k. I am very convinced of my thesis: introduction to cigarettes is far more dangerous than introduction to voice assistants and will continue to be far more dangerous for the remainder of the century.
- JumpCrisscross 7y ago
  > I will wager actual money down on this And I’d join you! But that is insufficient to dismiss OP’s claim as prima facie invalid. Mental health risks are real. And the chances of getting addicted to nicotine from a couple packs are small enough so as to be, prima facie, comparable to the risks of long-term mental health issues from the use of voice assistants. We don’t have the data. OP’s claim and implied question are valid.
  - scarejunba 7y ago
    All right, name your terms. Are you in San Francisco? I am going to win this bet. Easiest money I ever made. I just want to see if he'll stick to his guns when he has skin in the game. His claim is so patently ridiculous that he'd be throwing money away by taking the bet.
    - JumpCrisscross 7y ago
      > name your terms I said I’d join you, not that I’d bet against you. My claim is simply that the counterclaim to yours is valid. Just because I won’t bet for something doesn’t mean it isn’t worth discussing. The vitriol with which this argument has been met shows, at some level, it’s validity as an item of controversy.
      - scarejunba 7y ago
        Fair enough on the first part. I misread. I don't agree with the second bit about valid controversy but it's not worth arguing.

scarejunba 7y ago

Perhaps if you'll help me understand what 'dangerous' means to you here. I will wager⁰ $1000 that if there were two kids of equivalent lives and you give one an Echo and the other 3 packs of cigarettes, boy 2 will die earlier, have a lower quality of life throughout, and have a higher likelihood of drug abuse. Geospatial data, telemetry, chat logs, real names, email logs (we had that one, it's all our mailing list stuff). That is nothing in the face of burning tar in your lungs. I will wager actual money down on this. If you're in SF, I will send someone to meet you or your equivalent representative, with a contract you may discuss with him. 0: In fact, the $1k is intentionally low to encourage you to participate. I will do $10k. I am very convinced of my thesis: introduction to cigarettes is far more dangerous than introduction to voice assistants and will continue to be far more dangerous for the remainder of the century.

JumpCrisscross 7y ago
> I will wager actual money down on this And I’d join you! But that is insufficient to dismiss OP’s claim as prima facie invalid. Mental health risks are real. And the chances of getting addicted to nicotine from a couple packs are small enough so as to be, prima facie, comparable to the risks of long-term mental health issues from the use of voice assistants. We don’t have the data. OP’s claim and implied question are valid.
- scarejunba 7y ago
  All right, name your terms. Are you in San Francisco? I am going to win this bet. Easiest money I ever made. I just want to see if he'll stick to his guns when he has skin in the game. His claim is so patently ridiculous that he'd be throwing money away by taking the bet.
  - JumpCrisscross 7y ago
    > name your terms I said I’d join you, not that I’d bet against you. My claim is simply that the counterclaim to yours is valid. Just because I won’t bet for something doesn’t mean it isn’t worth discussing. The vitriol with which this argument has been met shows, at some level, it’s validity as an item of controversy.
    - scarejunba 7y ago
      Fair enough on the first part. I misread. I don't agree with the second bit about valid controversy but it's not worth arguing.