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because chickens are cheap to feed and breed you don't need automation to make it cheap My family used to breed any sort of livestock, from chickens to lambs,

because chickens are cheap to feed and breed you don't need automation to make it cheap My family used to breed any sort of livestock, from chickens to lambs, from cows to pigs, from rabbits to pigeons High quality meat, just for the family chickens are by far the cheapest and easiest (rabbits get sick easily, pigs eat a lot, cows need a lot of work to keep them clean etc. etc.)

toasterlovin 7y ago
Right, but why are they the cheapest form of meat? There’s probably some biochemical or energy utilization reason. Perhaps it has to do with chickens being fairly lean meat. I don’t know, but have often wondered.
- kgwgk 7y ago
  One of the reasons is that you raise them for weeks, not months.
  - toasterlovin 7y ago
    How does that impact cost per calorie (or gram of protein or whatever)? Haven’t thought deeply about it, but this doesn’t seem like a fundamental constraint, though it would allow breeding (which takes place over generations) to find optimizations faster.
- Creationer 7y ago
  Contrasting against Pigs and Cows: 1. Small animal which requires less bone structure to support (bone scales non-linearly with mass for land animals). 2. Shorter lifespan and use of eggs allows simpler and quicker sexual selection. 3. Less intelligent animal so less energy and nutrition spent on growing the brain and maintaining its function. Its a smaller animal, basically. Fish and insects are more efficient than chickens. https://ib.bioninja.com.au/_Media/feed-conversion_med.jpeg https://ib.bioninja.com.au/_Media/feed-conversion_med.jpeg
  - avar 7y ago
    The main reason has little to do with any of that, but just historical inertia. There's a lot of species that could have potentially replaced the chicken if we unwind human history and started anew, but it's not a competition between wild species of birds today, but chickens with at least 5000 years of human-guided domestication v.s. most other species. The same can be said about pretty much anything people eat and farm. Most modern fruit and vegetables were pretty much inedible in their primordial pre-domesticated forms, it's only through thousands of years of effort that we have what we've got today. In terms innate qualities making chickens suitable for domestication over other birds, some of those are probably: 1. They're pretty much flightless[1], even in the wild. This excludes most bird species right off the bat. Hard to domesticate something that'll just fly away. 2. They're comfortable in groups, and have a group hierarchy. This tends to be common among species humans have domesticated. Good luck domesticating e.g. birds of pray productively, they'll constantly be fighting each other for territory. 3. They're not picky about food, and don't require humans to actively feed them in the context of pre-industrial village life. Some birds only eat say insects, chickens can eat pretty much anything, even other chicken. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_junglefowl https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_junglefowl
    - toasterlovin 7y ago
      I think your #2 is a pretty good insight. Separately, I’m more interested in why chickens are more economically efficient than, say, pigs or cows than why they’re more efficient than other birds. Any thoughts there?
      - lostjohnny 7y ago
        #2 is pretty obvious, birds of prey are predators, you don't put predators together in the same space But the same happens if you put two roosters in the same hen chickens are not much more efficient than many other birds though just more common
- lostjohnny 7y ago
  because they can eat almost everything, even if not bred in an industrial farm, you can let them roam free and they will live by eating insects or seeds they find around. Some of my grandmas chicken used to eat the leftovers around pigs manger, but some of them became reckless and ate while pigs were eating and we started to find chickens with the heads chopped off, so we built a fence to keep chickens away from pigs food.
wortelefant 7y ago
thanks to the bland taste of these factory-produced chicken, plant-based meat alternatives become more viable as an alternative. In asian dishes I started to replace chicken with seitan, the differences are too small to notice https://avocadosandales.com/2017/12/17/chickwheat-shreds/ https://avocadosandales.com/2017/12/17/chickwheat-shreds/

toasterlovin 7y ago

Right, but why are they the cheapest form of meat? There’s probably some biochemical or energy utilization reason. Perhaps it has to do with chickens being fairly lean meat. I don’t know, but have often wondered.

kgwgk 7y ago
One of the reasons is that you raise them for weeks, not months.
- toasterlovin 7y ago
  How does that impact cost per calorie (or gram of protein or whatever)? Haven’t thought deeply about it, but this doesn’t seem like a fundamental constraint, though it would allow breeding (which takes place over generations) to find optimizations faster.
Creationer 7y ago
Contrasting against Pigs and Cows: 1. Small animal which requires less bone structure to support (bone scales non-linearly with mass for land animals). 2. Shorter lifespan and use of eggs allows simpler and quicker sexual selection. 3. Less intelligent animal so less energy and nutrition spent on growing the brain and maintaining its function. Its a smaller animal, basically. Fish and insects are more efficient than chickens. https://ib.bioninja.com.au/_Media/feed-conversion_med.jpeg https://ib.bioninja.com.au/_Media/feed-conversion_med.jpeg
- avar 7y ago
  The main reason has little to do with any of that, but just historical inertia. There's a lot of species that could have potentially replaced the chicken if we unwind human history and started anew, but it's not a competition between wild species of birds today, but chickens with at least 5000 years of human-guided domestication v.s. most other species. The same can be said about pretty much anything people eat and farm. Most modern fruit and vegetables were pretty much inedible in their primordial pre-domesticated forms, it's only through thousands of years of effort that we have what we've got today. In terms innate qualities making chickens suitable for domestication over other birds, some of those are probably: 1. They're pretty much flightless[1], even in the wild. This excludes most bird species right off the bat. Hard to domesticate something that'll just fly away. 2. They're comfortable in groups, and have a group hierarchy. This tends to be common among species humans have domesticated. Good luck domesticating e.g. birds of pray productively, they'll constantly be fighting each other for territory. 3. They're not picky about food, and don't require humans to actively feed them in the context of pre-industrial village life. Some birds only eat say insects, chickens can eat pretty much anything, even other chicken. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_junglefowl https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_junglefowl
  - toasterlovin 7y ago
    I think your #2 is a pretty good insight. Separately, I’m more interested in why chickens are more economically efficient than, say, pigs or cows than why they’re more efficient than other birds. Any thoughts there?
    - lostjohnny 7y ago
      #2 is pretty obvious, birds of prey are predators, you don't put predators together in the same space But the same happens if you put two roosters in the same hen chickens are not much more efficient than many other birds though just more common
lostjohnny 7y ago
because they can eat almost everything, even if not bred in an industrial farm, you can let them roam free and they will live by eating insects or seeds they find around. Some of my grandmas chicken used to eat the leftovers around pigs manger, but some of them became reckless and ate while pigs were eating and we started to find chickens with the heads chopped off, so we built a fence to keep chickens away from pigs food.

wortelefant 7y ago

thanks to the bland taste of these factory-produced chicken, plant-based meat alternatives become more viable as an alternative. In asian dishes I started to replace chicken with seitan, the differences are too small to notice https://avocadosandales.com/2017/12/17/chickwheat-shreds/ https://avocadosandales.com/2017/12/17/chickwheat-shreds/