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Well, I do have to log in with my google account to read it...

shurcooL 7y ago
It loads okay in an incognito window for me. Are you sure logging in was mandatory? It should only be needed if you want to post to the mailing list.
- sheeshkebab 7y ago
  I also had to login with my google account to read it.
- dmit 7y ago
  Logging in to Google Groups has been mandatory forever if you had logged in to a Google account before in that browser. If there are no traces of past login sessions (such as when using Incognito mode) then it opens just fine for unauthenticated users.
- irishsultan 7y ago
  One of the annoying things about Google is that if it detects that at some point in the past you were logged in as a user it will not let you see Google Groups content without logging in (or going incognito). There is no "just let me see the content, I can't be bothered to type my password right now" option, there is no "forget that I'm that user" option, the only option is to log in or to go incognito.
  - BartBoch 7y ago
    Deleting cookies should help?
StavrosK 7y ago
https://www.pastery.net/ycqfug/ https://www.pastery.net/ycqfug/
agnokapathetic 7y ago
Golang Nuts is a public mailing list, sadly there are not a lot of mailing list archives these days. https://www.mail-archive.com/golang-nuts@googlegroups.com/msg29985.html https://www.mail-archive.com/golang-nuts@googlegroups.com/ms...
fastball 7y ago
Not if you had signed up for the mailing list, which is how mailing lists are supposed to work.
- wpietri 7y ago
  It's how mailing lists were supposed to work circa 1992. But web archives for mailing lists are more than 20 years old. [1] And honestly, I'm not sure "supposed to work" is correct. It's how they did work, sure, but thinking back to the mailing lists I set up pre-web, the goal was to create a forum many people could use. That a mailing list was used to do that was a function of the available tech and how people connected. And I'll note that from what I can tell, forum software predates mailing list software. LISTSERV only goes back to 1986. [2] Forum software goes back to the mid-1970s [3], and the WELL was started in 1985 [4]. So I think it's reasonable to argue that online forums are the "real" experience, and mailing lists were more an implementation constraint for the decade or so that email popularity outstripped the richer interfaces of the terminal era and the web era. [1] http://www.lsoft.com/corporate/history-listserv.asp http://www.lsoft.com/corporate/history-listserv.asp [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LISTSERV https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LISTSERV [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CONFER_(software) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CONFER_(software) [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_WELL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_WELL
  - skybrian 7y ago
    The Well isn't a great example here. You can't read anything on the Well (other than a couple of public forums) without signing up for a paid account and disclosing your real name. For early BBS's it was routine to create an account before doing much of anything, though they often didn't verify anything. I think some had a limited anonymous account you could use? Was there anything before gopher that let you seamlessly jump from machine to machine?
mark212 7y ago
Me too. Which perhaps undermines the point of the denial?

It loads okay in an incognito window for me. Are you sure logging in was mandatory? It should only be needed if you want to post to the mailing list.

sheeshkebab 7y ago
I also had to login with my google account to read it.
dmit 7y ago
Logging in to Google Groups has been mandatory forever if you had logged in to a Google account before in that browser. If there are no traces of past login sessions (such as when using Incognito mode) then it opens just fine for unauthenticated users.
irishsultan 7y ago
One of the annoying things about Google is that if it detects that at some point in the past you were logged in as a user it will not let you see Google Groups content without logging in (or going incognito). There is no "just let me see the content, I can't be bothered to type my password right now" option, there is no "forget that I'm that user" option, the only option is to log in or to go incognito.
- BartBoch 7y ago
  Deleting cookies should help?

StavrosK 7y ago

https://www.pastery.net/ycqfug/ https://www.pastery.net/ycqfug/

agnokapathetic 7y ago

Golang Nuts is a public mailing list, sadly there are not a lot of mailing list archives these days. https://www.mail-archive.com/golang-nuts@googlegroups.com/msg29985.html https://www.mail-archive.com/golang-nuts@googlegroups.com/ms...

fastball 7y ago

Not if you had signed up for the mailing list, which is how mailing lists are supposed to work.

wpietri 7y ago
It's how mailing lists were supposed to work circa 1992. But web archives for mailing lists are more than 20 years old. [1] And honestly, I'm not sure "supposed to work" is correct. It's how they did work, sure, but thinking back to the mailing lists I set up pre-web, the goal was to create a forum many people could use. That a mailing list was used to do that was a function of the available tech and how people connected. And I'll note that from what I can tell, forum software predates mailing list software. LISTSERV only goes back to 1986. [2] Forum software goes back to the mid-1970s [3], and the WELL was started in 1985 [4]. So I think it's reasonable to argue that online forums are the "real" experience, and mailing lists were more an implementation constraint for the decade or so that email popularity outstripped the richer interfaces of the terminal era and the web era. [1] http://www.lsoft.com/corporate/history-listserv.asp http://www.lsoft.com/corporate/history-listserv.asp [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LISTSERV https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LISTSERV [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CONFER_(software) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CONFER_(software) [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_WELL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_WELL
- skybrian 7y ago
  The Well isn't a great example here. You can't read anything on the Well (other than a couple of public forums) without signing up for a paid account and disclosing your real name. For early BBS's it was routine to create an account before doing much of anything, though they often didn't verify anything. I think some had a limited anonymous account you could use? Was there anything before gopher that let you seamlessly jump from machine to machine?

mark212 7y ago

Me too. Which perhaps undermines the point of the denial?