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It's a different video. The one Trump retweeted is undoctored footage of Pelosi stumbling over words, because she actually does that.

zaroth 7y ago
It’s amazing how hard it is to get someone to believe something counter to their baseline assumption. People “know” Trump spread the video, even though it’s simple irrefutable fact that he did not. The media is often responsible for amplifying and distorting an act to the point where the original act and actor are indistinguishable. Kind of exactly like what happened in the doctored video. This is perhaps an incredible example of the pot calling the kettle black. Just yesterday, the TIMES reporter tweeting a fake quote of the President, only admitting he made it up after it went viral, and claiming, “it was plausible”. IMO the media does this against Trump pervasively and highly effectively, to the point where it is nearly impossible to distinguish what Trump may have actually said, forget about what he meant. I’d say the Charlottesville comments are probably the most famous example of this.
- makomk 7y ago
  It's worth thinking, too, about the role this New York Times opinion piece played in convincing people so strongly of something that isn't true that the untruth was upvoted whilst the comment pointing it out is greyed out. They make it sound like the perception she was "drunk or perhaps crazy" was entirely the result of the deliberately and maliciously doctored video. Clearly it wasn't. Anyone who didn't investigate things themselves is left with the false impression that everyone mocking this Pelosi appearance was using a fake doctored video to do so - including the President of the United States - even though the author of this never technically lied.
  - drilldrive 7y ago
    Currently my comment is +4, so I wouldn't be so quick to say it is greyed out. Regardless, claims based on vote totals are not useful and distract from discussion: vote totals consider only the subset of the population willing to participate in site-based voting, which will pull from the polemics much more than the moderates. And besides, the structured refutation comment format of mine above is rife for false corrections, in that frequently such comments are only be a distortion or a deflection of the truth. People learn to blind themselves of the content of the message over time, furthering the partisan lock on their minds.
- jccalhoun 7y ago
  >IMO the media does this against Trump pervasively and highly effectively, to the point where it is nearly impossible to distinguish what Trump may have actually said, forget about what he meant. >I’d say the Charlottesville comments are probably the most famous example of this. Could you explain why this is an example?
  - furgooswft13 7y ago
    https://blog.dilbert.com/2019/04/30/the-fine-people-hoax-funnel/ https://blog.dilbert.com/2019/04/30/the-fine-people-hoax-fun...
mgoetzke 7y ago
And he never does :)
- PixyMisa 7y ago
  Happy covfefe to you too. :)

zaroth 7y ago

It’s amazing how hard it is to get someone to believe something counter to their baseline assumption. People “know” Trump spread the video, even though it’s simple irrefutable fact that he did not. The media is often responsible for amplifying and distorting an act to the point where the original act and actor are indistinguishable. Kind of exactly like what happened in the doctored video. This is perhaps an incredible example of the pot calling the kettle black. Just yesterday, the TIMES reporter tweeting a fake quote of the President, only admitting he made it up after it went viral, and claiming, “it was plausible”. IMO the media does this against Trump pervasively and highly effectively, to the point where it is nearly impossible to distinguish what Trump may have actually said, forget about what he meant. I’d say the Charlottesville comments are probably the most famous example of this.

makomk 7y ago
It's worth thinking, too, about the role this New York Times opinion piece played in convincing people so strongly of something that isn't true that the untruth was upvoted whilst the comment pointing it out is greyed out. They make it sound like the perception she was "drunk or perhaps crazy" was entirely the result of the deliberately and maliciously doctored video. Clearly it wasn't. Anyone who didn't investigate things themselves is left with the false impression that everyone mocking this Pelosi appearance was using a fake doctored video to do so - including the President of the United States - even though the author of this never technically lied.
- drilldrive 7y ago
  Currently my comment is +4, so I wouldn't be so quick to say it is greyed out. Regardless, claims based on vote totals are not useful and distract from discussion: vote totals consider only the subset of the population willing to participate in site-based voting, which will pull from the polemics much more than the moderates. And besides, the structured refutation comment format of mine above is rife for false corrections, in that frequently such comments are only be a distortion or a deflection of the truth. People learn to blind themselves of the content of the message over time, furthering the partisan lock on their minds.
jccalhoun 7y ago
>IMO the media does this against Trump pervasively and highly effectively, to the point where it is nearly impossible to distinguish what Trump may have actually said, forget about what he meant. >I’d say the Charlottesville comments are probably the most famous example of this. Could you explain why this is an example?
- furgooswft13 7y ago
  https://blog.dilbert.com/2019/04/30/the-fine-people-hoax-funnel/ https://blog.dilbert.com/2019/04/30/the-fine-people-hoax-fun...

mgoetzke 7y ago

And he never does :)

PixyMisa 7y ago
Happy covfefe to you too. :)