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> "misleading statistics" There is no need to resort to ad hominem attacks here, this is HN and we generally try to stay above that level. Do you anticipate t

by yodon 7y ago

> "misleading statistics" There is no need to resort to ad hominem attacks here, this is HN and we generally try to stay above that level. Do you anticipate the network effect dynamics of a motion capture library to look more like an operating system (Debian model) or a specialty library (Github)? I would expect it to look a lot more like the Github data, so the fact that Linux is for historical reasons tightly coupled to GPL licensing, while interesting, is probably not a good model for predicting future contributions to a newly GPL'ed motion capture library like this one.

belorn 7y ago
I anticipate that a project with 8 paid members to be more similar to a package in debian than a average project on Github. A package in debian goes through a curating process. It is not a one-click registration but involves making sure the package work, is relevant enough to gain sponsorship, and is mature enough to be stable for a 2 years release cycle. We are not comparing the linux kernel with this library, and I am not sure what prompted the comparison. There would not be 80% GPL in Debian and downstream if the kernel was the only package that with GPL. 80% GPL mean 80% of all 30 000 software packages in the repository. In this context I also find it relevant that Chorodata seems to have two teams, half that focus on building this tool and an other that work on real-time performances and installations that I assume is not done for free. That implies the model that this motion capture library seem to follow is similar in spirit to open core, where the revenue does not come from the tool itself but from work that is enabled by it. Such project, new and old, usually go with GPL. I thus expect GPLv3 to be a quite suitable license for this kind of project and it is a license that many artists that use Creative Commons understand. Share the work as much as possible, invite collaboration if you want but retain some control.
- yodon 7y ago
  Dude. Are you the one that flagged my initial comment? That's some pretty serious thought policing to think that anyone who dares question the sanctity of the holy GPL deserves to be flagged for their sins. We can have legitimate disagreements about best paths and data analysis but reaching for the flag hammer just because someone disagrees with you is quite simply fucked up and beneath someone who is actually able to articulate their opinions as you are. Perhaps GPL now advocates for free as in speech, unless that speech disagrees with RMS, in which case flag it and lock up the dissident who dared question whether using the GPL might be a mistake. Profoundly unimpressed.
  - belorn 7y ago
    There is no need to resort to ad hominem attacks here, this is HN and we generally try to stay above that level. A comment get flagged killed on HN when a larger number of people report it, usually because it introduce flamewar topics without having something genuinely new to say. See more at: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - yodon 7y ago
      Profoundly unimpressed with the the hypocrisy around free speech evidenced by the GPL advocates. I had hoped you would fire back to say it wasn't you and that you disagreed with the flagging. Your "clever retort" however is the reply of someone who is pleased that opposing viewpoints are being shut down and hidden from the world. Perhaps one day you will have the confidence to believe and understand that your ability to articulate for your points is powerful enough that you should not just allow but encourage opposing viewpoints to be heard, so that you could use your facilities to convince others of the right answer. You have that capacity. Blocking the opinion of others from being heard is not worthy of you.
      - belorn 7y ago
        I could write a bot that replied to all news stories that mention software under Permissive Open Source licenses and say that such licenses are a huge mistake and GPL licenses are clearly winning in the intellectual marketplace, linking to the study on Debian and Debian market share as proof. Bots that advocate for either side would not make HN a better place and people flagging it would be the right choice. Not just because they are bots but because the repeated discussion does not advance any persons views or opinion. It is just advertisement noise from advocates arguing that their side is the holy crusade.

by yodon 7y ago

belorn 7y ago

I anticipate that a project with 8 paid members to be more similar to a package in debian than a average project on Github. A package in debian goes through a curating process. It is not a one-click registration but involves making sure the package work, is relevant enough to gain sponsorship, and is mature enough to be stable for a 2 years release cycle. We are not comparing the linux kernel with this library, and I am not sure what prompted the comparison. There would not be 80% GPL in Debian and downstream if the kernel was the only package that with GPL. 80% GPL mean 80% of all 30 000 software packages in the repository. In this context I also find it relevant that Chorodata seems to have two teams, half that focus on building this tool and an other that work on real-time performances and installations that I assume is not done for free. That implies the model that this motion capture library seem to follow is similar in spirit to open core, where the revenue does not come from the tool itself but from work that is enabled by it. Such project, new and old, usually go with GPL. I thus expect GPLv3 to be a quite suitable license for this kind of project and it is a license that many artists that use Creative Commons understand. Share the work as much as possible, invite collaboration if you want but retain some control.

yodon 7y ago
Dude. Are you the one that flagged my initial comment? That's some pretty serious thought policing to think that anyone who dares question the sanctity of the holy GPL deserves to be flagged for their sins. We can have legitimate disagreements about best paths and data analysis but reaching for the flag hammer just because someone disagrees with you is quite simply fucked up and beneath someone who is actually able to articulate their opinions as you are. Perhaps GPL now advocates for free as in speech, unless that speech disagrees with RMS, in which case flag it and lock up the dissident who dared question whether using the GPL might be a mistake. Profoundly unimpressed.
- belorn 7y ago
  There is no need to resort to ad hominem attacks here, this is HN and we generally try to stay above that level. A comment get flagged killed on HN when a larger number of people report it, usually because it introduce flamewar topics without having something genuinely new to say. See more at: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - yodon 7y ago
    Profoundly unimpressed with the the hypocrisy around free speech evidenced by the GPL advocates. I had hoped you would fire back to say it wasn't you and that you disagreed with the flagging. Your "clever retort" however is the reply of someone who is pleased that opposing viewpoints are being shut down and hidden from the world. Perhaps one day you will have the confidence to believe and understand that your ability to articulate for your points is powerful enough that you should not just allow but encourage opposing viewpoints to be heard, so that you could use your facilities to convince others of the right answer. You have that capacity. Blocking the opinion of others from being heard is not worthy of you.
    - belorn 7y ago
      I could write a bot that replied to all news stories that mention software under Permissive Open Source licenses and say that such licenses are a huge mistake and GPL licenses are clearly winning in the intellectual marketplace, linking to the study on Debian and Debian market share as proof. Bots that advocate for either side would not make HN a better place and people flagging it would be the right choice. Not just because they are bots but because the repeated discussion does not advance any persons views or opinion. It is just advertisement noise from advocates arguing that their side is the holy crusade.