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Solid: Data ownership as well as improved privacy (2017)
- grenoire 7y agoDid anything really come out of this since 2017? Genuine question, just haven't seen any news around.
- gauravphoenix 7y agoThe git repo[1] hasn't been updated in a while except for the readme so I guess the project isn't very active but not completely dead either. [1]https://github.com/solid/solid?files=1 https://github.com/solid/solid?files=1
- EGreg 7y agoI think they got funded by someone and now Tim has left MIT and works for the funded version of this. Forgot what it’s called. I was in touch w the team in the past. Tried to join forces with https://qbix.com/platform https://qbix.com/platform because I felt we were much further ahead but needed more standards compliance. It never led to anything so I haven’t really been following them. But Melvin Carvalho and the team are still activeon github.
- dillondoyle 7y agoI just looked and the proposal references things that don't exist anymore, like html form keygen element.
- ggm 7y agoBig Projects don't always live or die on their public visibility, but this one feels like it failed at launch in terms of subsequent coverage and news.
- jaehong 7y agoit’s a movement. sir tim berners-lee is saying that users keep their data in another silo(solid) with payment. solid, another centralized repository, has the same problem like facebook or more dangerous. because user data is more centralized.
- legionof7 7y agoDo people really want to own their data? I'm very skeptical about this.
- TaylorAlexander 7y agoI do.
- dharness 7y agoWho would you prefer own it?
- saagarjha 7y agoAs opposed to not owning their data?
- dongqing 7y agoPeople do wanna own their data but are too lazy to manage it.
- gitgud 7y agoMost people don't care... Until they realise some random company knows their address, name, DOB, favourite food, browsing habits, friends and family, personality.........
- rakoo 7y agoThis is all data, not furnitures. You owning it and storing it on your homeserver doesn't prevent a third party from knowing where you live and what you ate for breakfast.
- flattone 7y agofree to be skeptical.... cheers. (Yes. hell yes. + insane bonkers tin foil hat yes + well grounded yes + + principled yes . . . )
- ghusbands 7y agoThere are various ways it could be nice. For example, only having one location to back up, if you want backups, rather than having to find the download-my-data link for every single service you use.
- marknadal 7y agoSOLID is a well intending team, good people. I'm a little concerned about their security model though: As of a very recent conversation, they seem to be ok with password being known by POD providers, which would make your data owned by the POD, not you. I was trying to encourage them to use E2EE with our security tool that several other big dApps in the industry have adopted: (d.tube, notabug.io, Internet Archive, etc.) https://gun.eco/docs/SEA https://gun.eco/docs/SEA The only person who seemed interested was Tim Berners-Lee himself when I talked to him, and Ruben. If either of you, or anyone else in the team see this, PLEASE please contact me urgently, I'm still willing to contribute, but when I tried nobody else seemed to care.
- anaphor 7y agoThey should look into whether they can base it on object capabilities, if they haven't already done that. I think things like sandstorm.io (and others, see: https://github.com/dckc/awesome-ocap https://github.com/dckc/awesome-ocap ) are the future of distributed systems.
- oldgun 7y agoIt looks like a really ambitious project, but unfortunately looks like it's not gaining progress?
- sunshinelackof 7y agoData ownership doesn't imply agency and control. In the future I own my data, so what? Does every company simply just demand access to all of it so I can use their services? For data ownership to really matter users/consumers need to be able to bargain on equal terms with companies, probably collectively.
- ghusbands 7y agoThe EU certainly wouldn't allow such demands of its citizens - the GDPR non-compliance fines are starting and will hopefully make people stop collecting and holding data they don't need.
- Barrin92 7y agoOnly glanced at this but is this like Urbit without the weird homesteading politics? It seems like a revival of the semantic web with RDF and all. I just don't think this is ever going to work, because this form of decentralisation just doesn't scale. The complexity that comes with separating data and computation and the standards and protocols that need to be invented to get everyone to talk to each other just don't provide enough utility. We've put data into companies and silos becaues there's actually value to this division of labour. The hierarchies that Solid and others try to combat emerge naturally.
- ghusbands 7y agoA very broad dismissal of a useful concept, with no real substance. Just because it is easier and cheaper to keep data in company silos doesn't mean that will always be kept there. People are trying to make a difference.
- Barrin92 7y agoI don't think that the dismissal has no substance. If it's cheaper and easier to hand the storage and management of data over to a third party, that's a pretty big reason to do it. If there's two fundamental things people care about, it's price and convenience. And I'm sorry, but these semantic web ideas are 30 years old. Adoption is practically non-existent. Do you really think the burden of proof where the value is really is on me?