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That's actually what was implemented in Canada last month on all provinces that didn't run their own carbon pricing system. You'd think everybody could get beh

by Pxtl 7y ago

That's actually what was implemented in Canada last month on all provinces that didn't run their own carbon pricing system. You'd think everybody could get behind it, right? I got $300 on my tax rebate as an advance for this year's carbon pricing. Of course the conservatives hate it, because their carbon plan is "no." And they're on track to win in November.

village-idiot 7y ago
When did the world’s conservative parties turn into death cults?
- Al-Khwarizmi 7y ago
  In debates about politics I have often heard that environmental problems are transversal, independent on the left-right spectrum, that the environment and ecology can be defended from the left or from the right... and from an ideal, abstract, theoretical point, that's true, how could one deny that? There is no reason why a conservative should want to destroy the planet - in fact, the very word "conservative" is pretty much against that. However, in practice, I am still yet to see a right-wing party that gives a damn about the environment. Be it at the European level, national level, regional level or even at the city level. Go to any random city in my region, read the platform of left-wing parties, and you will typically see bike lanes, bus lanes, pedestrianization, etc. Read the platform of right-wing parties, and you will see more asphalt, more lanes, more parking spaces. City-level elections are supposed to be much more about the candidate, and less about the party, but they still spontaneously group like that. It shouldn't be like that, and maybe in some other countries it's not like that, I'm not claiming this is universal. But in my country, it certainly is like that.
  - MisterBastahrd 7y ago
    Conservatives USED to be about conservation back when the wealthy typically still used the outdoors, specifically hunting, fishing, and hiking for recreation. New forms of recreation, new methods of transportation, and an urbanization of the financial elite have pretty much eliminated that aspect.
  - empath75 7y ago
    I think the wealthy elites have realized that it’s a hopeless cause and are trying to put themselves into the best position to weather the storm.
ttul 7y ago
We shall see. A lot can change between now and then. The SNC affair will fade over the summer and the truth is the economy is doing very well - that typically drives election results.
- Pxtl 7y ago
  I wish I shared your optimism. I keep worrying we're going to see a repeat of Ontario's provincial election.

by Pxtl 7y ago

village-idiot 7y ago

When did the world’s conservative parties turn into death cults?

Al-Khwarizmi 7y ago
In debates about politics I have often heard that environmental problems are transversal, independent on the left-right spectrum, that the environment and ecology can be defended from the left or from the right... and from an ideal, abstract, theoretical point, that's true, how could one deny that? There is no reason why a conservative should want to destroy the planet - in fact, the very word "conservative" is pretty much against that. However, in practice, I am still yet to see a right-wing party that gives a damn about the environment. Be it at the European level, national level, regional level or even at the city level. Go to any random city in my region, read the platform of left-wing parties, and you will typically see bike lanes, bus lanes, pedestrianization, etc. Read the platform of right-wing parties, and you will see more asphalt, more lanes, more parking spaces. City-level elections are supposed to be much more about the candidate, and less about the party, but they still spontaneously group like that. It shouldn't be like that, and maybe in some other countries it's not like that, I'm not claiming this is universal. But in my country, it certainly is like that.
- MisterBastahrd 7y ago
  Conservatives USED to be about conservation back when the wealthy typically still used the outdoors, specifically hunting, fishing, and hiking for recreation. New forms of recreation, new methods of transportation, and an urbanization of the financial elite have pretty much eliminated that aspect.
- empath75 7y ago
  I think the wealthy elites have realized that it’s a hopeless cause and are trying to put themselves into the best position to weather the storm.

ttul 7y ago

We shall see. A lot can change between now and then. The SNC affair will fade over the summer and the truth is the economy is doing very well - that typically drives election results.

Pxtl 7y ago
I wish I shared your optimism. I keep worrying we're going to see a repeat of Ontario's provincial election.