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Why discount EVs if you’re listing energy efficient new housing stock? EVs are not a car someone is getting who wasn’t otherwise getting a car. It’s not a ques
by zaroth 7y ago
Why discount EVs if you’re listing energy efficient new housing stock?
EVs are not a car someone is getting who wasn’t otherwise getting a car. It’s not a question of “let’s build 100 million EVs” but rather, since we are building 100 million vehicles, as many of them as possible should be EVs.
Keep in mind that in order to achieve meaningful results it’s going to cost a lot of money. That means asking people to pay more, perhaps significantly more, for items, or in taxes, to cover that cost.
Increasing costs is not just a theoretical hand wavey “oh the rich will pay” effect. It’s a “pushing more people below the poverty line” kind of effect.
The idea that we should be using way less electricity per person is also I think missing the point entirely. Electricity per person is a good proxy for productivity which is a good proxy for wealth of a nation. Reducing energy use is putting the whole country on a diet, and shrinking GDP would cause more pain and suffering than climate change in the short term. The solution doesn’t lie in that approach.
In fact we should be using significantly more electricity per person, to offset the reduced amount of fossil fuel consumption.
Electricity generation & supply needs to get highly renewable and a lot cheaper. That is already the trend and we will get there over the next 20 years. Once the retail cost for generation and supply is reliably below $0.05/kWh you have effectively priced out most uses of fossil fuels. If electricity stays expense then I just heat my house with natural gas and keep driving my ICE vehicle.
Your “rolling coal” example is prescient, although perhaps not for the reason you think. These are people who have been asked to make basically zero personal sacrafice at all (maybe they chipped in $1.00 toward the EV tax credits) who still feel threatened by EVs. Rolling coal is not a strike against EVs it’s the perfect example of how important it is to find efficient solutions that don’t undercut members of our society, and why EVs are such a great solution.
- convolvatron 7y ago"Reducing energy use is putting the whole country on a diet, and shrinking GDP would cause more pain and suffering than climate change in the short term." this really seems to be the root of the matter. unfortunately the wording isn't completely clear. are you saying that we'd have to accept some economic discomfort in the short term to mitigate some serious long term issues? that seems like a tradeoff worth discussing. or are you saying that the consequences of economic contraction are so dire that we'd better just learn to deal with the environmental consequences. maybe we can find some market solutions (i.e. shifting to electricity) that reduce emissions somewhat without harming whats really important.