> "It undermines a long tradition of designing and building infrastructure in the public interest." Well, that's what some of the so-called software engineers

> "It undermines a long tradition of designing and building infrastructure in the public interest." Well, that's what some of the so-called software engineers actually do. And they are not necessarily doing programming. I would agree that most of the programmers should stop calling themselves engineers because programming is not engineering per se. I would agree that we must stop considering "SE" and "programmer" synonymous in most cases. Maybe the term "software craftsmanship" can be a good alternative. However, it does not mean that "software engineering" as a discipline does not exist. I think it exists and people doing it should call themselves software engineers. And those people are not necessarily doing programming.