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> This is the most impressive example of the genre that I've seen: https://wiki.xxiivv.com/ https://wiki.xxiivv.com/ (engine: https://wiki.xxiivv.com/#oscean ht

by mftrhu 7y ago

> This is the most impressive example of the genre that I've seen: https://wiki.xxiivv.com/ https://wiki.xxiivv.com/ (engine: https://wiki.xxiivv.com/#oscean https://wiki.xxiivv.com/#oscean) Yeah. I am currently using org-mode (plus org-wiki, some bespoke elisp and a few shell scripts) for my own knowledge base, but Oscean/the Nataniev ecosystem in general has impressed me. plus Zotero for papers/PDFs, plus a pile'o'files stashed using the Universal Decimal Classification for its folder tree, plus assorted odds and ends. In fact, I spent this week messing around with some of its concepts - Indental plus Runic plus a lightweight markup language loosely based on txt2tags + sexps and which should be easy to render even outside the browser. The idea is to move away from documents (which org-mode is very good at), and towards smaller, rich chunks of information (which org-mode can't handle that well - I hacked things up with properties, but that namespace is flat).

iamnothere 7y ago
> The idea is to move away from documents (which org-mode is very good at), and towards smaller, rich chunks of information (which org-mode can't handle that well - I hacked things up with properties, but that namespace is flat). I've noticed this weakness in org-mode as well. It's really a fantastic tool, but it still has a few gaps here or there. I'm optimistic about its continued development though. It's good to hear that you liked the Oscean/Nataniev tools; I haven't tried them and it could easily have been all style no substance. They certainly sound impressive. From what I've read, I have a feeling there might be something worthwhile there. And XXIIVV itself looks amazing, although I know that's just one implementation.
- mftrhu 7y ago
  > I'm optimistic about its continued development though. Org is amazing, yes, but I'm not too optimistic about this - even if some of its more noticeable warts got fixed (a big one, for me, is the fact that you cannot nest quote blocks), it would still represent a tree of nodes, and trees are somewhat limiting where it comes to knowledge representation. You can organize information in a tree, but it doesn't neatly fit that model, and just deciding where to put each snippet you captured can be a huge hassle. > It's good to hear that you liked the Oscean/Nataniev tools; I haven't tried them and it could easily have been all style no substance. They certainly sound impressive. From what I've read, I have a feeling there might be something worthwhile there. And XXIIVV itself looks amazing, although I know that's just one implementation. I'm not too sure, either, but I'm going to take a stab at implementing something Oscean-like. I want to see where this approach can take me.

by mftrhu 7y ago

iamnothere 7y ago

> The idea is to move away from documents (which org-mode is very good at), and towards smaller, rich chunks of information (which org-mode can't handle that well - I hacked things up with properties, but that namespace is flat). I've noticed this weakness in org-mode as well. It's really a fantastic tool, but it still has a few gaps here or there. I'm optimistic about its continued development though. It's good to hear that you liked the Oscean/Nataniev tools; I haven't tried them and it could easily have been all style no substance. They certainly sound impressive. From what I've read, I have a feeling there might be something worthwhile there. And XXIIVV itself looks amazing, although I know that's just one implementation.

mftrhu 7y ago
> I'm optimistic about its continued development though. Org is amazing, yes, but I'm not too optimistic about this - even if some of its more noticeable warts got fixed (a big one, for me, is the fact that you cannot nest quote blocks), it would still represent a tree of nodes, and trees are somewhat limiting where it comes to knowledge representation. You can organize information in a tree, but it doesn't neatly fit that model, and just deciding where to put each snippet you captured can be a huge hassle. > It's good to hear that you liked the Oscean/Nataniev tools; I haven't tried them and it could easily have been all style no substance. They certainly sound impressive. From what I've read, I have a feeling there might be something worthwhile there. And XXIIVV itself looks amazing, although I know that's just one implementation. I'm not too sure, either, but I'm going to take a stab at implementing something Oscean-like. I want to see where this approach can take me.