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Just an observation. To all the folks who say we all need to consume less, not drive cars, yada yada. Et toi? Y’all love telling other people they have to do x

Just an observation. To all the folks who say we all need to consume less, not drive cars, yada yada. Et toi? Y’all love telling other people they have to do xyz to save the world. Are you ACTUALLY doing just that of which you say you must do? See, I do agree, we need to consume less. But let’s be practical. Do you grow your own food to not fuel the industrial capitalist complex? But nay you say! I live in a city! I can do no such thing! Whose fault is that? Don’t live in a damn city. Go live in the evil republican counties where they happily teach you the best way to grow veggies and cut the heads off chickens. The elderly are fucking awesome on gardening techniques. And don’t give me this urban farming shit. It can barely produce 2% of a city’s needs on average. Not practical. I also think more efficient everything is a good start. Like LED bulbs cut a lot of daily wattage across the board. However, all of that was negated when this stupid blockchain fad starting rolling in and added another Denmark (in essence) to the world power consumption. But that anti fiat currency stuff is all in the name of giving economic power to the poor who don’t have access to money or computers... Yea and that New green deal requires the fed to print enough extra notes to make the war on terror look like a candy bar purchase at the checkout. Because why care about bankruptcy today when it will happen in 10 years down the road? Climate change won’t happen through policy. You know why? Y’all think your congressmen and women are retarded anyways. Don’t lie. You do. You think they’re all morons. Why would you give an idiot the responsibility to do something smart? Why would you follow any of it? Be the change you want to see. Go out and do the actual change for yourself, to yourself. Don’t buy big ag if you don’t like the industrialized farming methods. You have options. Pricey ones. Or do it yourself. How about turning off your own damn lights without a power sucking smart home system and getting high efficient everything? Walk around for fucks sake. Read one of those low energy devices called a fucking book instead of streaming everything non fucking stop. After your own damn carbon footprint is nill, then you have the right to start telling others what to do. I’m off to smoke a cigar and check on my tomato plants.

BlueTemplar 7y ago
"Be the change you want to see." This phrase should be the top comment of every environmental-related post !
vaylian 7y ago
You raise a lot of points which makes it difficult to respond to your entire post. So I will focus on just a few key issues: > [1] Y’all love telling other people they have to do xyz to save the world. > [2] Are you ACTUALLY doing just that of which you say you must do? 1: No 2: Yes (I do what I think must be done) I know there are a lot of people and news outlets that exclaim that we must change our ways. And I understand that it can be very tiring to hear the accusations again and again. I believe that convincing people through a bad concience is not a good way to make them want to change. I believe that making them feel empowered to contribute to positive change actually makes them want to change their ways. It is important to offer choices and not no force people to do things. > I live in a city! I can do no such thing! Whose fault is that? Don’t live in a damn city. The problem are not cities. The problem are foods that are transported all over the world. I do not think that the transport of food from a nearby farm to the city is much of an environmental issue. > After your own damn carbon footprint is nill, then you have the right to start telling others what to do. I do think that many people should improve the way they communicate climate problems. But given that the climate does not wait until we have figured out how to converse properly, I say we should strife for pragmatism instead of perfectionism.

BlueTemplar 7y ago

"Be the change you want to see." This phrase should be the top comment of every environmental-related post !

vaylian 7y ago

You raise a lot of points which makes it difficult to respond to your entire post. So I will focus on just a few key issues: > [1] Y’all love telling other people they have to do xyz to save the world. > [2] Are you ACTUALLY doing just that of which you say you must do? 1: No 2: Yes (I do what I think must be done) I know there are a lot of people and news outlets that exclaim that we must change our ways. And I understand that it can be very tiring to hear the accusations again and again. I believe that convincing people through a bad concience is not a good way to make them want to change. I believe that making them feel empowered to contribute to positive change actually makes them want to change their ways. It is important to offer choices and not no force people to do things. > I live in a city! I can do no such thing! Whose fault is that? Don’t live in a damn city. The problem are not cities. The problem are foods that are transported all over the world. I do not think that the transport of food from a nearby farm to the city is much of an environmental issue. > After your own damn carbon footprint is nill, then you have the right to start telling others what to do. I do think that many people should improve the way they communicate climate problems. But given that the climate does not wait until we have figured out how to converse properly, I say we should strife for pragmatism instead of perfectionism.