I agree as far as Create, Update and Delete are concerned. It's the Read part that gets me. I'm all for frameworks that map HTML forms to model object propert

I agree as far as Create, Update and Delete are concerned. It's the Read part that gets me. I'm all for frameworks that map HTML forms to model object properties to database fields so you don't have to write boilerplate, but I don't think you can treat "Read" like the other three. For the life of me I cannot articulate my reasoning right now, elegantly or otherwise, but ORMs brush a lot of complexity under the rug in that respect.