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I think what parent is trying to say is that there's a present (with different choices in the past) where Hacking Team et al. are illegal, and governments and c
by ethbro 7y ago
I think what parent is trying to say is that there's a present (with different choices in the past) where Hacking Team et al. are illegal, and governments and corporations instead pay out mandated bounties for responsibly disclosed cybersecurity research.
I'd prefer that present. But it's certainly not the one we're living in.
And the NSA, Russian APT 28/29, Chinese APT 1 have responsibility. Not just for their own actions, but for creating a world in which similar actions by anyone are normal.
- tptacek 7y agoEverything NSA and the APT groups do now (in this arena) was done first by private actors, so, no, I don't think this argument works.
- ethbro 7y agoChronology is immaterial to this argument. What matters is whether the state, with its ultimate monopoly on force, sanctions a given method by its active use.