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> Untraceable communication has been the norm for all of human history. Would you say that there are material, qualitative differences in the way electronic co

> Untraceable communication has been the norm for all of human history. Would you say that there are material, qualitative differences in the way electronic communication increases an organizations ability to execute, vs, say, people hiding handwritten notes in their underwear? > That you insist on reducing me to a caricature in order to demonize me is very childish What would you say about someone who claims that hiding notes written on parchment is the same thing as widespread, free untraceable electronic communication?

knodi123 7y ago
> Would you say that there are material, qualitative differences in the way electronic communication increases an organizations ability to execute, vs, say, people hiding handwritten notes in their underwear? Would you say that unmonitored electronic communication is an order of magnitude more dangerous to society than unmonitored postal mail? 50 years ago, would you have been this alarmist insisting that the government needs to open and examine every single letter that goes through the mail service in order to make sure that nobody is discussing anything illegal? > What would you say about someone who claims that hiding notes written on parchment is the same thing as widespread, free untraceable electronic communication? I don't know, I haven't seen such a person. Instead, I'm someone who says that communication has, gotten easier and easier every generation, throughout history. Today's electronic communications are a small evolution past paper mail. If the government really, legitimately suspects you of something, they're free to ask a judge for permission to install a keylogger, or arrest you and search your hard drive. These are things that happen, and they work, and it's fine. And ya know, I'm really interested in hearing your answer to the questions I've already posed, instead of trying to further caricature my position by claiming the state of the art before the digital age was hiding hand-written notes in underwear. Would you be willing to accept a police state where AI-controlled body cameras are required to be worn by all people at all times? What's the qualitative difference between the safety boost provided by that, and this world you're describing where we somehow re-bottle the pandora's box of cryptography?

knodi123 7y ago

> Would you say that there are material, qualitative differences in the way electronic communication increases an organizations ability to execute, vs, say, people hiding handwritten notes in their underwear? Would you say that unmonitored electronic communication is an order of magnitude more dangerous to society than unmonitored postal mail? 50 years ago, would you have been this alarmist insisting that the government needs to open and examine every single letter that goes through the mail service in order to make sure that nobody is discussing anything illegal? > What would you say about someone who claims that hiding notes written on parchment is the same thing as widespread, free untraceable electronic communication? I don't know, I haven't seen such a person. Instead, I'm someone who says that communication has, gotten easier and easier every generation, throughout history. Today's electronic communications are a small evolution past paper mail. If the government really, legitimately suspects you of something, they're free to ask a judge for permission to install a keylogger, or arrest you and search your hard drive. These are things that happen, and they work, and it's fine. And ya know, I'm really interested in hearing your answer to the questions I've already posed, instead of trying to further caricature my position by claiming the state of the art before the digital age was hiding hand-written notes in underwear. Would you be willing to accept a police state where AI-controlled body cameras are required to be worn by all people at all times? What's the qualitative difference between the safety boost provided by that, and this world you're describing where we somehow re-bottle the pandora's box of cryptography?