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Can we stop posting those FUD, rubbish articles? How does not being a member of the SD association prevents companies from using microSD cards? From the SD As

Can we stop posting those FUD, rubbish articles? How does not being a member of the SD association prevents companies from using microSD cards? From the SD Association's website: > SD Association does not manufacture, market or sell any product; it creates standards and then promotes the adoption, advancement and use of SD standards used by competing product manufacturers that make interoperable memory cards and devices.

clouddrover 7y ago
Huawei now has licensing problems: https://www.sdcard.org/developers/licensing/index.html https://www.sdcard.org/developers/licensing/index.html Here's an interesting bit from the SD Association License Agreement: > 13.5 This Agreement shall automatically terminate in the event that Licensee’s membership in the SD Association terminates or expires for any reason.
- NotPaidToPost 7y ago
  FUD in my view because this is about access to specs not use in end products. The interesting issue here, though is why is the SD Association an American entity althougn it was originally setup by Japanese firms? I think we're also going to see a push by China to change the game in that area.
  - ddingus 7y ago
    Are there not specific access modes that do require a license / royalty? It is true anyone can use an SD card. But displaying the logo, as well as some access protocols are controlled. Things like 1 bit serial vs 4 bits, may mean "unofficial" = slow For small scale, say custom embedded, small run stuff, nobody cares. But at the smart phone level?
    - NikkiA 7y ago
      Given that they already have those specs for the 'licensed' modes, it's irrelevant, unless the SD assoc. is going to release a new version of the SD standard specifically just to ensure huawei don't have the spec for it, and then make all other SD licensees force using this upgrade; all to validate trump's trade war. Such a move would very likely backfire on the US.
      - ddingus 7y ago
        It is not a technical restriction, but a legal one. They are no longer licensed to use the more efficient comms. Those specs are not hard to get. They can, of course, use them, and can be hauled into court for doing so without paying royalties. Same for displaying the logo.
        NikkiA 7y ago
        If they're banned from doing business with american companies why would they give a shit about the legality of their SD license?
        sixothree 7y ago
        And if SD Association releases new standard, possible fractures in adoption.
        ddingus 7y ago
        Could happen. Hope it does not.
  - clouddrover 7y ago
    You need the SD Association license as well as the other licenses. See the flowchart on the SD Association's licensing page and see SD-3C's FAQ: https://www.sd-3c.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions.aspx https://www.sd-3c.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions.aspx
  - NikkiA 7y ago
    > why is the SD Association an American entity Short answer: because SanDisk were/are an american corporation, and were the most influential part of the trio in the early days.

clouddrover 7y ago

Huawei now has licensing problems: https://www.sdcard.org/developers/licensing/index.html https://www.sdcard.org/developers/licensing/index.html Here's an interesting bit from the SD Association License Agreement: > 13.5 This Agreement shall automatically terminate in the event that Licensee’s membership in the SD Association terminates or expires for any reason.

NotPaidToPost 7y ago
FUD in my view because this is about access to specs not use in end products. The interesting issue here, though is why is the SD Association an American entity althougn it was originally setup by Japanese firms? I think we're also going to see a push by China to change the game in that area.
- ddingus 7y ago
  Are there not specific access modes that do require a license / royalty? It is true anyone can use an SD card. But displaying the logo, as well as some access protocols are controlled. Things like 1 bit serial vs 4 bits, may mean "unofficial" = slow For small scale, say custom embedded, small run stuff, nobody cares. But at the smart phone level?
  - NikkiA 7y ago
    Given that they already have those specs for the 'licensed' modes, it's irrelevant, unless the SD assoc. is going to release a new version of the SD standard specifically just to ensure huawei don't have the spec for it, and then make all other SD licensees force using this upgrade; all to validate trump's trade war. Such a move would very likely backfire on the US.
    - ddingus 7y ago
      It is not a technical restriction, but a legal one. They are no longer licensed to use the more efficient comms. Those specs are not hard to get. They can, of course, use them, and can be hauled into court for doing so without paying royalties. Same for displaying the logo.
      - NikkiA 7y ago
        If they're banned from doing business with american companies why would they give a shit about the legality of their SD license?
        sixothree 7y ago
        And if SD Association releases new standard, possible fractures in adoption.
        ddingus 7y ago
        Could happen. Hope it does not.
- clouddrover 7y ago
  You need the SD Association license as well as the other licenses. See the flowchart on the SD Association's licensing page and see SD-3C's FAQ: https://www.sd-3c.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions.aspx https://www.sd-3c.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions.aspx
- NikkiA 7y ago
  > why is the SD Association an American entity Short answer: because SanDisk were/are an american corporation, and were the most influential part of the trio in the early days.