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It would be nice if they would allow one to view the text instead of showing: Please turn JavaScript on and reload the page.

by u801e 7y ago

dangus 7y ago
It would also be nice if we didn't have to read complaints about being unable to view websites from users that disable browser features that they clearly understand will break a lot of websites.
- voldacar 7y ago
  Websites that require javascript to display basic text/image content are poorly designed
- anoncake 7y ago
  It would be nice if web developers were responsible enough that disabling Javascript were not necessary. It would be even nicer if the web were designed with a semblance of sanity.
- a1369209993 7y ago
  It would also be nice if browsers didn't by default auto-execute malware served by any random website, to the point that people think it isn't the website's fault that it breaks when said auto-execution is disabled.
- codedokode 7y ago
  No, you should not intentionally hide text from those who prefer to disable JS. Disabling JS improves site load speed and reduces memory consumption. As a side effect, most of ads and trackers also stop working.
  - celticninja 7y ago
    My organisation has a requirement that we build to work without JS. If we need to use JS for something then we also need a non-JS alternative, the result may be less pretty/fast/require an extra call but it works regardless of your JS choices
  - xienze 7y ago
    >As a side effect, most of ads and trackers also stop working. As well as a lot of sites, period.
  - ronsor 7y ago
    but that's the problem: the ads and trackers don't work! unless you're willing to pay them with your data and eyes, they won't let you see the site. not that I agree with this.
- lousken 7y ago
  No? Users should be able to decide if they want to run some untrusted code on their machines or not
  - zzo38computer 7y ago
    I agree the user should decide to run the code or not, as well as for the user to replace the code with their own if they want to modify it. Sometimes scripts can be used to implement something, but just to display text and so on, should not need a script; it should just have the text. (Often they like to put in so many pictures, styles, scripts, etc, that you do not need. Just put the text!) (Some things might be other protocol and try to make a HTML interface to it, but even then the protocol should be documented without requiring such scripts to read it and you can access it directly and don't have to use their implementation. For example if they use gopher or NNTP or telnet then you can just use those directly and the URL should link to them directly rather than requiring the HTML.) One thing to do for web pages that use specific scripts is to define a new attribute to specify the unversal ID of a widget or program so that you can more easily substitute your own implementation or use it in web browsers that do not implement JavaScript.
- userbinator 7y ago
  The more I see comments like this, the more convinced I am that there is some sort of conspiracy to restrain and otherwise beat into submission users by forcing them to use hideously overcomplex software that can execute arbitrary code, and which is controlled by effectively two large organisations (one of which already has immense power over the Internet), just to view a website that is nothing more than a static document. Nothing on that site needs JS. Nothing on that site should need any more than a browser that can display text and images. This isn't a fancy "web application" or other JS-based thing.
- staticassertion 7y ago
  Yeah, everyone should be forced to run arbitrary code on their computers, you tell'em.
- VirtualAirwaves 7y ago
  Amen
salutonmundo 7y ago
https://web.archive.org/web/20190524202002/http://www.os2museum.com/wp/why-does-windows-really-use-backslash-as-path-separator/ https://web.archive.org/web/20190524202002/http://www.os2mus... works
rasz 7y ago
This is my fault :( https://virtuallyfun.com/wordpress/2019/05/15/os-2-museum-back-online/ https://virtuallyfun.com/wordpress/2019/05/15/os-2-museum-ba...
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It would be nice if they would allow one to view the text instead of showing: Please turn JavaScript on and reload the page.

by u801e 7y ago

It would be nice if they would allow one to view the text instead of showing: Please turn JavaScript on and reload the page.

dangus 7y ago

It would also be nice if we didn't have to read complaints about being unable to view websites from users that disable browser features that they clearly understand will break a lot of websites.

voldacar 7y ago
Websites that require javascript to display basic text/image content are poorly designed
anoncake 7y ago
It would be nice if web developers were responsible enough that disabling Javascript were not necessary. It would be even nicer if the web were designed with a semblance of sanity.
a1369209993 7y ago
It would also be nice if browsers didn't by default auto-execute malware served by any random website, to the point that people think it isn't the website's fault that it breaks when said auto-execution is disabled.
codedokode 7y ago
No, you should not intentionally hide text from those who prefer to disable JS. Disabling JS improves site load speed and reduces memory consumption. As a side effect, most of ads and trackers also stop working.
- celticninja 7y ago
  My organisation has a requirement that we build to work without JS. If we need to use JS for something then we also need a non-JS alternative, the result may be less pretty/fast/require an extra call but it works regardless of your JS choices
- xienze 7y ago
  >As a side effect, most of ads and trackers also stop working. As well as a lot of sites, period.
- ronsor 7y ago
  but that's the problem: the ads and trackers don't work! unless you're willing to pay them with your data and eyes, they won't let you see the site. not that I agree with this.
lousken 7y ago
No? Users should be able to decide if they want to run some untrusted code on their machines or not
- zzo38computer 7y ago
  I agree the user should decide to run the code or not, as well as for the user to replace the code with their own if they want to modify it. Sometimes scripts can be used to implement something, but just to display text and so on, should not need a script; it should just have the text. (Often they like to put in so many pictures, styles, scripts, etc, that you do not need. Just put the text!) (Some things might be other protocol and try to make a HTML interface to it, but even then the protocol should be documented without requiring such scripts to read it and you can access it directly and don't have to use their implementation. For example if they use gopher or NNTP or telnet then you can just use those directly and the URL should link to them directly rather than requiring the HTML.) One thing to do for web pages that use specific scripts is to define a new attribute to specify the unversal ID of a widget or program so that you can more easily substitute your own implementation or use it in web browsers that do not implement JavaScript.
userbinator 7y ago
The more I see comments like this, the more convinced I am that there is some sort of conspiracy to restrain and otherwise beat into submission users by forcing them to use hideously overcomplex software that can execute arbitrary code, and which is controlled by effectively two large organisations (one of which already has immense power over the Internet), just to view a website that is nothing more than a static document. Nothing on that site needs JS. Nothing on that site should need any more than a browser that can display text and images. This isn't a fancy "web application" or other JS-based thing.
staticassertion 7y ago
Yeah, everyone should be forced to run arbitrary code on their computers, you tell'em.
VirtualAirwaves 7y ago
Amen

salutonmundo 7y ago

https://web.archive.org/web/20190524202002/http://www.os2museum.com/wp/why-does-windows-really-use-backslash-as-path-separator/ https://web.archive.org/web/20190524202002/http://www.os2mus... works

rasz 7y ago

This is my fault :( https://virtuallyfun.com/wordpress/2019/05/15/os-2-museum-back-online/ https://virtuallyfun.com/wordpress/2019/05/15/os-2-museum-ba...

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